From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhDtuoPhBBoE58zDOQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 22 08:57:49 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f158.google.com ([209.85.211.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OR5r7-0004wI-Pu; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:49 -0700 Received: by ywh30 with SMTP id 30sf8237055ywh.25 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:39 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=EUCPUvTXbZ9V1aGF8BsajGjzoAArw3gO7fTPT8JSCco=; b=NSl76cdv+yPLm3+hcqPlom4hLdshgoLCSpMynPJ7fJ+SzOHDtYDFu/Bh4vXnZ5BjvB wr+LJc3Ia59AD3/HhNi2kjn8sBPA7gBw+2CsHi01UCE110qo4Cqq7CoQLtR4IJDu58+X z79WqkCzgK0ccIFNalM0KAshtBiW0W6m7EkIU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=yEdbXkSQ3/ctfCgstjJAoPoT7DaaBEfTHQ2i7u/tLUDWTG0kQdyLRZL7iYFECfuVxf 2wE8HwY/acYvduGfY0i3jHDMtFJNuE8vko3R2/ZbFQoSaruW/fcbcfoR4iytfvsK3BPX QhFuL8HnTX06H/ODk9RWm/+wR/M/jnfpsHp8U= Received: by 10.100.17.13 with SMTP id 13mr317854anq.2.1277222253304; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.247.33 with SMTP id u33ls2638384ybh.4.p; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.159.9 with SMTP id h9mr4470524ybe.20.1277222252752; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.159.9 with SMTP id h9mr4470523ybe.20.1277222252711; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f180.google.com (mail-gy0-f180.google.com [209.85.160.180]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id w2si13101741ybi.6.2010.06.22.08.57.31; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.180 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.180; Received: by mail-gy0-f180.google.com with SMTP id 13so4878599gyg.11 for ; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.220.73 with SMTP id hx9mr3473169qcb.136.1277222249906; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.190.201 with HTTP; Tue, 22 Jun 2010 08:57:29 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 22 Jun 2010 11:57:29 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] The place structure of {selma'o} From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.180 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/6/22 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 1:54 AM, Michael Turniansky > wrote: >> =A0Using "selma'o" to describe "CMENE" and >> "BRIVLA" is just plain wrong and sloppy, in my opinion. > > The thing is that when we talk about syntactic word classes there's > hardly ever a reason to exclude CMENE and BRIVLA. So we have a word > with a relatively useless restriction and a frequent meaning that is > almost covered by that word, and the result is that the restricted > word takes on that slightly more encompassing meaning. > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > But my point is that the word "brivla" and "cmene" (well, really cemvla?) ALREADY mean "A word in the word class of "BRIVLA" or "CMEVLA" But if you really wanted to figure out a general way to say "word class", such as in "zo broda cu cmima ma poi klesi lo'i lojbo valsi", well, what's wrong with the more general "vlalei"? --gejyspa --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.