From lojban+bncCKfmmZXpCBDslIjhBBoESTIo-A@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 23 06:22:17 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f158.google.com ([209.85.211.158]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ORPtx-00073x-8C; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:22:17 -0700 Received: by ywh30 with SMTP id 30sf9794664ywh.25 for ; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:21:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vdO9DdSL7MYsSR9P9nUSDPDrFr41rwUFLoenhqFw48o=; b=IZs5SPMKtb9/HYFRIrNxEsj05w3sw2OWz097aaxITEmxlsokQLkszrFu+pLmRqO91H 9PbIf0L15UB8066jWdzubOr8qgTRSKZh1a3v8rRpBjOWzdDWnnBfRtyFW0S8/a1wHbeY GUf/rLkxtXSTYzuW6PcSAJLSV1G3Loimd2eHs= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=MQ6t1c6Sm0YTfZNeQ8JjMU4XE+Hb0pCthA+yglbdROIo3oitCK4D0OUVxsbHEfNyh4 pFGqd4wSpjs9CFo5oPtcOkBAo8G8bxf8bnZVKAGhPU7us8qQkJxLGVSgvdKZmR/QlK7y 7KtiZhyOVsR4jCB69O1AtSkJn1TiV1awGu00A= Received: by 10.101.175.34 with SMTP id c34mr409151anp.27.1277299308765; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:21:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.145.32 with SMTP id x32ls1289171ann.0.p; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:21:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.142.34 with SMTP id u34mr406225ann.57.1277299308114; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by u7g2000yqm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:21:48 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 23 Jun 2010 06:21:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201006221410.12392.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-IP: 89.232.124.106 References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201006221410.12392.phma@phma.optus.nu> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements From: lojdjis To: lojban X-Original-Sender: petxd086@googlemail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I won't support my idea of "xukmifu'e" ... anymore. We can use ISO-codes by saying "obu" for Oxygen just as chemicists do in European languages (well, in English they say [ou] for Oxygen). But we need some converter that will transform such string into element/ formula/chemical reaction. So when saying 2HOH + 2Na =E2=87=94 2NaOH + H2 we need * some converter * quotes * xebu, obu, nyabu for elements (well, no questions here) * a valsi for =E2=87=94 Please help me read aloud this reaction. Also we will need in future a valsi for =C2=B9H (isotope) 2+ Ca (ion) There are "te'a" and "ju'u" but they won't do (they are from math). I absolutely agree that tanru is inappropriate. We should follow IUPAC, not fight it. "relmetlygilbutli" etc. is the only way. At first, we should download "Complete IUPAC Grammar" if such book exists. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.