From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDfwJnhBBoEm3QEGg@googlegroups.com Sat Jun 26 13:17:51 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OSbox-0000fN-L7; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:51 -0700 Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2sf2722641qwi.16 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:41 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+oTHjjtmAN6CrjR/t6ZNqyULBIy57zFLFRjNBZgdcSk=; b=XH7Moly5/7R93gk4O1KVIwtawt7I1fufzbuF2aYlatMgIa2T3ynwPxda2wE5ouhkcF ElmcpwE5xgTuRsh+VLn5hKS3Qtniix3lZ7iW3s98LbszwrYeXknCfNpoVx2qdemdyVb9 26pIa0PZA6BWz16/5xzjtHM8Nao3Sv7OYvDHA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=GhZSx59nFQ96jw/wQ7CvdHu0i7woVNuAw0avJLwoJ8XnS+cX0vUQscff6fh70quszV K1gYzFdbD6EDWxDmt74Rek2f9v2qVQejaHU+RBhTQqSCY8RATTgsqDpa3rLh1YWO5jlR HSqOJ82OGim9/hOorT7V4l+2Baa6/lG6lgUe4= Received: by 10.229.9.4 with SMTP id j4mr311296qcj.27.1277583455561; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:35 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls5254224qcb.3.p; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.187.140 with SMTP id cw12mr159129qcb.23.1277583454785; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.187.140 with SMTP id cw12mr159128qcb.23.1277583454762; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f54.google.com (mail-qw0-f54.google.com [209.85.216.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j2si1844391qcu.10.2010.06.26.13.17.33; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.54; Received: by mail-qw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 5so1520204qwg.27 for ; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.213.131 with SMTP id gw3mr1472324qcb.51.1277583453614; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.73.12 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.73.12 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Jun 2010 13:17:33 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 16:17:33 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Question about ki'ai From: Luke Bergen To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016361e8270ec71650489f4935a --0016361e8270ec71650489f4935a Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Can ki'ai be used to make a nonce evidential/discursive? I wanted to do something like "suddenly, someone yelled". So, I wanted a discursive for "suddenly" (I think this would be a situation for a discursive of some kind anyway). So for this could I do something like {ki'ai .ky suksa .ky da krixa}? And if this could be confused for the attitude of the speaker instead of indicating the mode of the bridi, could a new cmavo be coined. Maybe something like: ki'ei: convert the following brivla (or maybe it would be best to make the following word a cmevla/zoi quoted word?) into a nonce discursive/evidential. We have cmavo for converting just about everything into anything else. It seems odd to not have a way to convert stuff to discursive/evidential (which I'm discovering are really handy word classes) -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016361e8270ec71650489f4935a Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Can ki'ai be used to make a nonce evidential/discursive?

I wanted to do something like "suddenly, someone yelled".

So, I wanted a discursive for "suddenly" (I think this would b= e a situation for a discursive of some kind anyway).

So for this could I do something like {ki'ai .ky suksa .ky da krixa}= ?
And if this could be confused for the attitude of the speaker instead of in= dicating the mode of the bridi, could a new cmavo be coined.=A0 Maybe somet= hing like:
ki'ei: convert the following brivla (or maybe it would be best to make = the following word a cmevla/zoi quoted word?) into a nonce discursive/evide= ntial.

We have cmavo for converting just about everything into anything else.= =A0 It seems odd to not have a way to convert stuff to discursive/evidentia= l (which I'm discovering are really handy word classes)

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