From lojban+bncCLi-v_X3FRDfqqHgBBoEX4wOKg@googlegroups.com Thu Jun 03 18:22:55 2010 Received: from mail-yw0-f143.google.com ([209.85.211.143]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OKLcZ-0004PW-QQ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:22:55 -0700 Received: by ywh7 with SMTP id 7sf847740ywh.26 for ; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:22:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:organization:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=lyB/iU3V851jZvXbaIM4t/lA9G2JqBGGvXtDtgaBeE4=; b=D4gS/Q8iTYoNYj3blLH3V3xSDno+RQlbk5nbNAdHI5xaVUgDsBxz40w2s/lazf4vh+ ZCDkn+efkxyVUWUzuql5sUibEAvPlAFLCwQx4qqU48HwkmWYIcSBwpsveEXFbnO9AYSq NY48nuRXE0uIQXHbASz+Q4Bguy8dQUbDaegCc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:organization :user-agent:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=i2sj35zA7uhBIE53yKPPAOAKdoxehi9guDyQ4rBKLHOElTiDArXpeVMlBiqBuGprEn C9zESqNP14CWfdB6n6J9wM7A8TX7xieIhrrWZI8ytr8ANJw5GfbMYZLohzN7gbtHqr1t ci9bjvWdaInSE8P01HdvxCGwcXYo3AiBGtPh0= Received: by 10.150.173.42 with SMTP id v42mr435869ybe.35.1275614559368; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:22:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.234.22 with SMTP id g22ls2558856ybh.7.p; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.132.17 with SMTP id f17mr3338162ybd.9.1275614558634; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 18:22:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.101.16 with SMTP id y16mr3254255wab.36.1275585780196; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.101.16 with SMTP id y16mr3254253wab.36.1275585780167; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n5si134640wab.1.2010.06.03.10.23.00; Thu, 03 Jun 2010 10:23:00 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o53HMxT0007984 for ; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:22:59 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.3/8.12.8/Submit) id o53HMxxd029380 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:22:59 GMT Date: Thu, 3 Jun 2010 17:22:59 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Named multiples Message-ID: <20100603172258.GA12330@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: <676f1fae-2f5a-4609-8727-49c9083a8715@h20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> <02364613-a7cb-4428-8916-bcad33923e03@40g2000pry.googlegroups.com> <20100603005936.GA23621@sdf.lonestar.org> <25f48fb8-ae1a-424b-a9a8-12e5201b9818@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <25f48fb8-ae1a-424b-a9a8-12e5201b9818@x27g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline de'i li 03 pi'e 06 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Lindar .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > So you can see here that there is a difference in parsing. It reads > {xalbo} with an implied gadri, though it doesn't seem to specify > which. .skamyxatra Jbofi'e is both a parser and a glosser, and it is fulfilling the latter role when it gives meanings for phrases. Parsing consists solely of determining the grammatical structure of a text (i.e., what parts are {selbri}, {sumti}, numbers, etc.) and does *not* involve determining or assigning meaning to a text, which is done *after* parsing. > I don't think we can just say "whatever" and leave it up to context. A > parser needs to know what the default is if one is not specified. No, a glosser or translator needs to know which {gadri} to use. A program that is a parser and nothing more (regardless of how useless it may seem) only needs to know the {selma'o} & pseudo-{selma'o} of its input and, of course, the rules of Lojban syntax. All it generates from this is a syntax tree or equivalent structure, which, by itself, conveys no useful information about the meaning of a text. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- bu'u la .lojbangug. lo bangu cu daspo do -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.