From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCF87PgBBoEfX0vDg@googlegroups.com Mon Jun 07 06:52:24 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OLckT-0001mG-Lu; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:23 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf1087504vws.16 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:11 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=6lhwzr2fLTC6mXBueyX+USoHFbLktF6sw2TArMfEnPg=; b=vn5tEKSAnbdakIG37N8mc4bG5meMfcftVx4qDqIYTmHQ15vA0d1xpkE6jmEETveXOn Mc+WtV01CMXHUtW7lB8+sBkEHlZdkqlTA84KYtrmPQsWtuh5GSrr6LnXRfkuuQ39Xp9c Ykp1SBDsqh9mxV63NnuVxDJ2fSsOqWZe7klfw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=gQx/A8iaTw/a6VUVq4UoLD5GRvpX664MZoJXEYmfLRambq763V0fcdKVI1dhQvg9u5 d2H7qy5Jj5CXrRZ+0ZX1n646P1uSJtztfgui60PWfHExz+yoPz7E3DnKo++1d9udB/cW bnOkmn2kRb7XeX3onWErQbUQnZ2SnkVQ4C7hw= Received: by 10.220.129.14 with SMTP id m14mr802837vcs.28.1275918725765; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.46.194 with SMTP id k2ls4186029vcf.2.p; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.185.11 with SMTP id cm11mr354927vcb.12.1275918724324; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.185.11 with SMTP id cm11mr354926vcb.12.1275918724273; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com (mail-vw0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b14si2672949vcx.1.2010.06.07.06.52.03; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by mail-vw0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 9so7206471vws.11 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.106.229 with SMTP id y37mr8223496qao.176.1275918722710; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 06:52:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.73.12 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 06:52:02 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 09:52:02 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] zasni gerna cenba From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8e5d4d3abe35048870fad5 --00c09f8e5d4d3abe35048870fad5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, I didn't know it was so versatile. What are the semantic differences between those three? le poi blabi ku'o gerku le gerku poi blabi le gerku ku poi blabi Also, what would be the meaning of it coming right after a selbri as the page suggests? ta cu gerku poi blabi (my immediate guess is something like "that is a dog a whit= e one" (similar to {ta cu blabi gerku}?). Though I'm not very clear what the difference between {poi} and {noi} would be when attached to a selbri. 2010/6/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Luke Bergen > wrote: > > I read about relative-clauses from the page that: > > "Allow after any selbri. It's a common mistake, it has an obvious > meaning, > > it doesn't cause parsing difficulties." > > Which selbri are relative-clauses allowed/not-allowed to come after now= ? > > They are allowed after the selbri inside a LE-sumti. > > Relative-clauses are allowed in three places for a LE-sumti: > > LE [relative-clauses] [relative-clauses] KU [relative-clauses] > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --00c09f8e5d4d3abe35048870fad5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wow, I didn't know it was so versatile. =A0What are the semantic differ= ences between those three?

le poi blabi ku'o gerku
le gerku poi blabi
le gerku ku poi blabi

Also, what would be the meaning of it coming right after a selbr= i as the page suggests?

ta cu gerku poi blabi
(my immediate guess is something like "that is a dog <restric= tively> a white one" (similar to {ta cu blabi gerku}?). =A0Though I= 'm not very clear what the difference between {poi} and {noi} would be = when attached to a selbri.

2010/6/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas = <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Mon, Jun 7, 2010 at 10:39 AM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> I read about relative-clauses from the page that:
> "Allow after any selbri. It's a common mistake, it has an obv= ious meaning,
> it doesn't cause parsing difficulties."
> Which selbri are relative-clauses allowed/not-allowed to come after no= w?

They are allowed after the selbri inside a LE-sumti.

Relative-clauses are allowed in three places for a LE-sumti:

=A0LE [relative-clauses] <selbri> [relative-clauses] KU [relative-cl= auses]

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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