From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCL-N3gBBoES9SnWw@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 15 06:11:55 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OOVvj-0007xg-V8; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:55 -0700 Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2sf1490988qyk.16 for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=0Lg8Gro7Q6WBfOgE1gO+vqKonEWWr/4wQDzccrYR8k0=; b=y7U39VtwfYoRv5CYnjmtHLDlHMYdR6wBqMhkxV0rD4hA9+Izj3NXPvCHqos8gtRbWe dpVGJTlY/UfZ/huELYf3TKX9jpQBdQ8SGXJ193rYoroPSHSlbPtcgwBzCbr2l2Hd5Vgh 0quEhnOsyyY1xvP5I11Wq1qoiSNSzshL4g8dI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=iQifBG1d2arN0HgFhN/AwDZZs/qZ+fjtNaTa26HNrQ7SkWtWEbXjJLE8MOx4cvuGHm A8qBv/y8B1aq377arbgGDPJwfDURzn2h7m+YzrtzNybH6WpE5fsqQWLYeV+aFE0M/rrt R4fSoXlnszCCvG4ehThzBAWgkyN0ycbcwg180= Received: by 10.229.78.86 with SMTP id j22mr223753qck.8.1276607499448; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.27.66 with SMTP id h2ls7302649qcc.1.p; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.222.144 with SMTP id ig16mr593115qcb.25.1276607498228; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.222.144 with SMTP id ig16mr593113qcb.25.1276607498195; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q8si2321412qcu.12.2010.06.15.06.11.38; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 06:11:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=JUVRM1DJq0IUhOzbiS7MKa3nop+tnTfKnp11CD9McC4= c=1 sm=0 a=q8OS1GolVHwA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=RLOB9Y11-zQXbl0vY38A:9 a=dnisbSBji7X38rIH53iCmSZ_bZ0A:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:33402] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id B6/2F-03150-90C771C4; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 13:11:37 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2367FA23E for ; Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:11:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 09:11:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <2129d979-ca98-4eec-a3cf-9e017ebbf099@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <2129d979-ca98-4eec-a3cf-9e017ebbf099@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201006150911.32832.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Tuesday 15 June 2010 08:26:01 lojdjis wrote: > "xukmi'fu'e" is mys misprint. I meant "xukmifu'e". > > The problem is that all elements are in one periodic system. > It's strange to name one element as dircyjinme (connection with > radiation ?) > and palladium (Pd/46) =3D jinmrpaladi (no connection with radiation ?) > But many stable elements (nonradioactive) have radioactive isotopes. All isotopes of radium are radioactive. It wasn't the first all-radioactive= =20 element discovered, but of the first few it is the most intensely=20 radioactive, so it got the name. > Secondly, it's hard to remember all those words (some elements are > gismu, some are fu'ivla). > It will be easier for chemists to pronounce them as they write > formulae. Same in English and other languages I know: "gold" is a gismu, "bismuth" a= =20 fu'ivla, many element names end in "-um" but many don't. There's another problem we haven't solved yet: naming chemical compounds. I= n=20 organic chemistry there are at least two ways of using numbers: di-, tri-,= =20 etc. indicate how many of an element or radical there are, and 2-, 3-, etc.= =20 indicate on which atom it is. (I don't remember if there's a third.) We don= 't=20 have rafsi for "hypo-", "per-", "-ate", etc. > Jorge Llamb=EDas, I see one more problem ;-). > There should be some standard names for isotopes. I don't think we need names for isotopes, but we do need a way of designati= ng=20 them. The only isotopes that actually have names in English are protium,=20 deuterium, and tritium. Pierre --=20 When a barnacle settles down, its brain disintegrates. J=E1 n=E3o percebe nada, j=E1 n=E3o percebe nada. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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