From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC4k-PgBBoEpZZucw@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 16 05:55:37 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OOs9U-0007oI-PK; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:36 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf2073773yxs.16 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=4PACynNN01ZTj12FXcIuXTwEYs+AbC7ol38BBxGMi7o=; b=mtKk/VdDMmHQhu/ynwrJDo3y6V5q73GbgSxfn10RKjp2Q33MqhiDw5/9lIatCmRPDy KPJ2doLLS6cAo3YVd4bGrNxoyhFY7+RfHjOFqEqP+sR+pZK6V9ZWfddm1gd6p9c6rNNV c36LojFOG0Wv1MqhJ1DGAOHE19dQmo4DnN5kg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Hy/1vV6FRL3NsOyqSkY6zlHrY9lmW4NjFB8ZXauaV8M4oe7GmjBaBlj8DvmJjWRe9L awgssh4V5xsPg3YCGpv/9rjDqOoHSV2VJfApxZGgN7vQkpGG0MkHf+BxXsPv1Q5Jg3QC XppujvPB4QVkni8kogEPGAxeoC4bLoiB4Q2hI= Received: by 10.91.59.15 with SMTP id m15mr707822agk.9.1276692920259; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:20 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.46.32 with SMTP id y32ls21414agj.3.p; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr3733583ago.13.1276692919316; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.150.2 with SMTP id c2mr3733576ago.13.1276692919147; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f172.google.com (mail-yx0-f172.google.com [209.85.213.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si367882ywh.13.2010.06.16.05.55.17; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.213.172; Received: by mail-yx0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 33so2437850yxt.17 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:17 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.221.72 with SMTP id ib8mr3812465qcb.0.1276692915977; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.2 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 05:55:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <2129d979-ca98-4eec-a3cf-9e017ebbf099@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <201006150911.32832.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:55:15 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.213.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:49 AM, lojdjis wrote: > We can use: > xukmixepa is Hydrogen-1 > xukmixere is Deuterium (Hydrogen-2) > xukmixeci is Tritium (Hydrogen-3) > > And we need something that will indicate hydrogen in general as we > can't say "xukmixe" as noted earlier. "xukmixe" is fine. The problem is only with I, O, and U. (And A and E, if they existed.) One way to solve it could be to add a nonsense syllable, although that's not terribly elegant, say: xukmi'ine, xukmi'oksi, xukmi'ura. There is a minor potential problem with the isotopes idea, because "mu" could represent either "m" or "5", so "xukmicumu" is Curium (Cm), but with the isotope convention in place someone might think it's Carbon-5. I don't think this causes any actual ambiguity, but then you won't be able to just read the symbol from the fu'ivla without knowing something about the elements. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.