From lojban+bncCN2uvfD1GRCxxOTgBBoEsWZ3MA@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 16 12:13:08 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OOy2o-0001Hf-D1; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:13:08 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf2620384yxs.16 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:12:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version :received:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=6aEs3K0mE6fZiOTMPmZIxoupcgpCXdVL5qZQVw1CxHY=; b=6mB08I6sJ6SIPJz1Ztu8QD6uXFFHVI1buYZYUypnmgh3C73bTKkUxOvixb5GY8geRk CGXklrCbYFKk0h4d6NaM7ilNEjQWPuvoSX+2RdbCq2ylPcDxAoJWID3Ba3E/VZ4ZIfVz COnyq3poybECFK36CA5VHdFCIhfW8F26cKtyo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=KJFudz5DkjVPNYA5THH/FFl+nFvNV67kmiMrGk6pqa2vhBo8uyHJznSLlGov5VP7Kh mC4rxFTHGH8Fxii6XKg6dqp/795ZP1IPXOwevHgHPVX4rAa908AggFCg/S3u3OKa2hg9 HGls68W/k5PkO7Heotd8t5NmmWJC9Y6mdOg0E= Received: by 10.150.171.11 with SMTP id t11mr654718ybe.57.1276715569846; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:12:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.234.22 with SMTP id g22ls372676ybh.7.p; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.32.19 with SMTP id k19mr3512766ybj.5.1276715569104; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 12:12:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.176.1 with SMTP id y1mr3387730ybe.13.1276706595233; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.176.1 with SMTP id y1mr3387728ybe.13.1276706595208; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:43:15 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f176.google.com (mail-gy0-f176.google.com [209.85.160.176]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k2si6859740ybe.11.2010.06.16.09.43.14; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of gabekoulikov@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.176 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.176; Received: by gyf1 with SMTP id 1so5901541gyf.35 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:43:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.60.5 with SMTP id i5mr10117394yba.148.1276706594316; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:43:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.231.85.208 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:42:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <2129d979-ca98-4eec-a3cf-9e017ebbf099@q12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com> <201006150911.32832.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Gabriel Koulikov Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 09:42:54 -0700 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: gabekoulikov@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of gabekoulikov@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.176 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=gabekoulikov@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Maybe "pi'e" could be used to separate the isotope number? If it's not already used with chemical compounds, that should minimize potential ambiguity. Or even in long chemical names. Anyone think of any cmavo-type chemical separators equivalent to the various IUPAC conventions? (commas, hyphens, superscripts, subscripts, etc.?) Unless we want to ditch the international chemistry community, my idea is that creating Lojbanic equivalents for each existing IUPAC convention (or specifying pre-existing words for such use) is the way to go. I like Pierre's partial gismu list, as it seems to flow more naturally given IUPAC conventions. Expanding on that, and using Lojban numbers with special (or existing) separators seems the most logical way towards a completely workable list of chemistry representation in my view. Especially if people think of expanding into biochem. :-) Any Lojban names for omega-3 fatty acids yet? (or the citric acid cycle, myelin, myofibrils, microtubules, etc.?) -Gabriel P.S. What does it take for these kinds of ideas and conventions to work their way into some sort of "official" form? Do people just give opinions, and then the most frequently and widely used opinion eventually becomes official, or what? My understanding is that it's been quite a while since the last "official" language update. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 7:35 AM, lojdjis wrote: > AFAIK "xi" means subscript. So maybe then we can say > xukmixexipa is Protium (Hydrogen-1) > xukmixexire is Deuterium (Hydrogen-2) > xukmixexici is Tritium (Hydrogen-3) > > > On Jun 16, 4:55=A0pm, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 6:49 AM, lojdjis wrote= : >> > We can use: >> > xukmixepa is Hydrogen-1 >> > xukmixere is Deuterium (Hydrogen-2) >> > xukmixeci is Tritium (Hydrogen-3) >> >> > And we need something that will indicate hydrogen in general as we >> > can't say "xukmixe" as noted earlier. >> >> "xukmixe" is fine. The problem is only with I, O, and U. (And A and E, >> if they existed.) One way to solve it could be to add a nonsense >> syllable, although that's not terribly elegant, say: xukmi'ine, >> xukmi'oksi, xukmi'ura. >> >> There is a minor potential problem with the isotopes idea, because >> "mu" could represent either "m" or "5", so "xukmicumu" is Curium (Cm), >> but with the isotope convention in place someone might think it's >> Carbon-5. I don't think this causes any actual ambiguity, but then you >> won't be able to just read the symbol from the fu'ivla without knowing >> something about the elements. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. > > --=20 http://www.daviswiki.org/users/GabeKoulikov --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.