From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCBoebgBBoEsAcdJg@googlegroups.com Wed Jun 16 20:03:47 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OP5OI-0007vW-37; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:47 -0700 Received: by pvc21 with SMTP id 21sf962888pvc.16 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=WZttc17dVwaG48PwN4Yy7neF1c59BlvuW9gdF2YZQH8=; b=DRkywemyM3Ph+oxSoj3n8ne/WrUtXsx1hj0Yj2jpXJpvb53uJSFOjhORv42JnrZEuA GDwarCY9iUOR822OB/RD76+3CeQ3aOU5D+4cJm1vL0+uAkoWC3PAKP70CFadNC1hCusJ 1+f51kg5sAI/8PnD6DeaCLkrE+kMxxuYBR31Y= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=JODJLGbUqSHH1VnC6KZewvzaOZlf3IQgxWuJ90oM1DPZi3oRdvTamzcp6N8NTL78jw FwHb/i/2ohsW6QRs6DFpj1vkvi4qUjHLFmxmpwGY22hmWWLIxmndvaJro6e8lvgTOnIg rPzErwgvPNjoxwk7XDwhn/lc5oO8Gob8i8euY= Received: by 10.115.100.23 with SMTP id c23mr1615746wam.5.1276743809914; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:29 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.115.33 with SMTP id s33ls483925wam.2.p; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.69.15 with SMTP id r15mr3720342waa.37.1276743808316; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.69.15 with SMTP id r15mr3720341waa.37.1276743808284; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f182.google.com (mail-pv0-f182.google.com [74.125.83.182]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e19si16353390wam.0.2010.06.16.20.03.27; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.182 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.182; Received: by pvg2 with SMTP id 2so1306187pvg.41 for ; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.143.27.8 with SMTP id e8mr6872315wfj.332.1276743806501; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.128.4 with HTTP; Wed, 16 Jun 2010 20:03:26 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201006161600.44280.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 16 Jun 2010 21:03:26 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.182 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636e0aef50e455a0489311527 --001636e0aef50e455a0489311527 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't the isotope number based on the atomic weight? It's been awhile since Chemistry class, but I think the two are equivalent. On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:08 PM, purpleposeidon w= rote: > > I don't think we need names for isotopes, but we do need a way of > designating them. > > How about a gismu? The official is ratni: x1 is an atom of > element/atomic number x2 of isotope number/atomic weight x3. I guess > x3 is overloaded? What I was thinking of before looking it up is "x1 > is an atom/element with x2 protons, x3 neutrons (defaulting to most > stable isotope), and x4 electrons (defaulting to x2)" > > > > I've never heard of asdfylate, and Google hasn't either. > I made it up. I haven't figured out what the real name is. > > > la'o .url. http://jbotcan.org/jbo/res/1327.html .url zdile je simsa > > mu'omi'e djeims > > On 6/16/10, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Wednesday 16 June 2010 12:42:54 Gabriel Koulikov wrote: > >> Maybe "pi'e" could be used to separate the isotope number? If it's > >> not already used with chemical compounds, that should minimize > >> potential ambiguity. > > > > Not sure what you mean. "nikle pi'e mubi" isn't grammatical. Specifying > an > > isotope in a chemical compound formula is rare; it's done with water an= d > > uranium hexafluoride, and I've seen it on Lysol or some such, but that'= s > > about it. > > > >> Especially if people think of expanding into biochem. :-) Any Lojban > >> names for omega-3 fatty acids yet? (or the citric acid cycle, myelin, > >> myofibrils, microtubules, etc.?) > > > > There's a picture of some molecular models on Wikipedia > > called "Rasyslami.jpg", and the Lojban version may still be on nuzban. > (The > > source was a program that produced POV-Ray output. I've lost it.) From > > memory: slamlraxidoni, slamlraxidi, kobyslami (?). > > > > For citric acid, I'd say nimryslami. The others I don't know. > > > > Pierre > > -- > > La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. > > Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "lojban" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > > > > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > > --=20 mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --001636e0aef50e455a0489311527 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Isn't the isotope number based on the atomic weight? It's been awhi= le since Chemistry class, but I think the two are equivalent.

On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 8:08 PM, purpleposeidon <purpleposeidon@= gmail.com> wrote:
> I don't think we need names for isotopes, but we do need a way of= designating them.

How about a gismu? The official is =A0ratni: x1 is an atom of
element/atomic number x2 of isotope number/atomic weight x3. =A0I guess
x3 is overloaded? What I was thinking of before looking it up is "x1 is an atom/element with x2 protons, x3 neutrons (defaulting to most
stable isotope), and x4 electrons (defaulting to x2)"


> I've never heard of asdfylate, and Google hasn't either.
I made it up. I haven't figured out what the real name is.


la'o .url. http://jbotcan.org/jbo/res/1327.html .url zdile je simsa

mu'omi'e djeims

On 6/16/10, Pierre Abbat <phma@phm= a.optus.nu> wrote:
> On Wednesday 16 June 2010 12:42:54 Gabriel Koulikov wrote:
>> Maybe "pi'e" could be used to separate the isotope n= umber? =A0If it's
>> not already used with chemical compounds, that should minimize
>> potential ambiguity.
>
> Not sure what you mean. "nikle pi'e mubi" isn't gram= matical. Specifying an
> isotope in a chemical compound formula is rare; it's done with wat= er and
> uranium hexafluoride, and I've seen it on Lysol or some such, but = that's
> about it.
>
>> Especially if people think of expanding into biochem. :-) =A0Any L= ojban
>> names for omega-3 fatty acids yet? (or the citric acid cycle, myel= in,
>> myofibrils, microtubules, etc.?)
>
> There's a picture of some molecular models on Wikipedia
> called "Rasyslami.jpg", and the Lojban version may still be = on nuzban. (The
> source was a program that produced POV-Ray output. I've lost it.) = From
> memory: slamlraxidoni, slamlraxidi, kobyslami (?).
>
> For citric acid, I'd say nimryslami. The others I don't know.<= br> >
> Pierre
> --
> La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre.
> Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang.
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