From lojban+bncCMvjp-TQBRDG-O3gBBoEUc7dng@googlegroups.com Fri Jun 18 07:02:02 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OPc8r-0002Kq-1t; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:02:01 -0700 Received: by gwaa12 with SMTP id a12sf13676182gwa.16 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:mime-version:received :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=NUdTSq0Cb2YxY9hvYaPBF1XCxOqlWN1N3WJc9iyGdo4=; b=PB5pqclG0T8z1p7/jioEcDNMIN9O9V4cTWmNPPqy8ctfU9qBy/FyUdWZslnxx5NdFg bXfIl5KOIzB4BEutR6O6ONTDcelq7PaJUDLNnr1DzvsUWjM+apQiakOaAU8PhG1YP13W DMX1lnO2sjT3RLo7lGQan2SqiM3pH+FsTCRtU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=wsW6zOL1L56ISgf478mO2SWum6vugrVtU6mSPtKZRYUVx1mD7yYNay6V24QfU1A8iw n5uOtRCRaiX8eLAhYToefxThfMAHtWB+K2FGkEBrxz+56GBEOP12bhE5eRC3fhAZHWCy X76ZTqhxEglTDo8FwbgUnxq2ZqSUPw2sSB3ks= Received: by 10.151.63.12 with SMTP id q12mr78078ybk.78.1276869702291; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.242.38 with SMTP id p38ls1181692ybh.6.p; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.235.11 with SMTP id i11mr716945ybh.0.1276869701278; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.235.11 with SMTP id i11mr716944ybh.0.1276869701235; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f172.google.com (mail-yw0-f172.google.com [209.85.211.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v12si8840852ybk.12.2010.06.18.07.01.39; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.211.172; Received: by ywh2 with SMTP id 2so1475141ywh.0 for ; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.3.19 with SMTP id f19mr927841ani.10.1276869699284; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.58.20 with HTTP; Fri, 18 Jun 2010 07:01:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <95822d48-fa69-4ee8-95af-ac8b356bb185@k39g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201006161600.44280.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: Daniel Brockman Date: Fri, 18 Jun 2010 16:01:19 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Chemical elements To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: dbrockman@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of dbrockman@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=dbrockman@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 This obscure naming exercise seems rather pointless to me. The priority should be to invent a way to talk about these atoms, molecules, compounds, etc., using clear, compositional expressions. What are the basic brivla that we need to express these concepts? For example, is this a missing brivla? x1 is an atom with x2 protons and x3 neutrons This? x1 is a nucleus of atom x2 Or this? x1 is an ion of atom x2 with x3 extra electrons What about this? x1 is a molecule consisting of atoms x2 Or this? x1 is an alkane with x2 carbon atoms and shape x3 Or what about this one? x1 is a molecule consisting of x2 attached to hydrocarbon x3 at the carbon atom in position x4 I don't know much chemistry, so I don't know exactly which brivla we'll need. But I know enough to realize that we ought to start by doing this, not by making up lots of weird and opaque "names" for every imaginable compound. I came up with the above examples by just quickly browsing Wikipedia. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.