From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDP15fgBBoEeiy6cQ@googlegroups.com Tue Jun 01 22:28:01 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OJgUe-0001Yf-P7; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:28:01 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf6249673gyd.16 for ; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:27:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:reply-to:precedence :mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=3EXhLoXohcY8cZShFS9K03TjhKV8f2+AMy99vlaU4xU=; b=tzfyGPZQEnt2R5x7C2APQcdk75JF2CaykLYAOugCQVIRMAACjXXhwgFuP+AC93JQIh 9qA9tkOHukiKtxgFbZG8zjX/Rt7F8IQu3OyYSFuxR3eHd2qVwNpyjxbd7vqVhrer86yd WeAnDIHFSOUvMyf194BahwixKoh1xcKYISVTE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=mjwwDYdlPXE9giW6ZVJZfaduYtE3cZuK+jZQR8QReZSBbA4PKqHRk/o1CIKRTK69Zc KdodqZ8Bi2mrlmB/pxVI6MgrMavB5P0ZgCBuQd4Rnr6myxVJCAQZbeIc4wKhm2nFIYAZ 7U6dxTRHzEfQ/nEa+y3oubKtqAllXijGloDXo= Received: by 10.150.255.3 with SMTP id c3mr253258ybi.11.1275456463252; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:27:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.242.38 with SMTP id p38ls2034333ybh.6.p; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:27:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.115.6 with SMTP id s6mr254614ybm.26.1275456461661; Tue, 01 Jun 2010 22:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by y18g2000prn.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:27:41 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 22:27:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <556832.6378.qm@web81302.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <959500ee-ea4d-4acf-9353-f2c990ba25a7@t34g2000prd.googlegroups.com> <676f1fae-2f5a-4609-8727-49c9083a8715@h20g2000prn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.3) Gecko/20100401 Firefox/3.6.3 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Named multiples From: Lindar To: lojban Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Well, I shall start using this system (very carefully) on IRC. My ideas: 1. COI implies {la} ({.i coi xalbo} is {.i coi la xalbo} and never {.i coi le xalbo}. 2. {la} is merged with LE and is terminated by {ku}. 3. lo --------- le -------- la My idea of how {la} works now is based on a scale where {lo} is the other end and {le} is the midpoint. {lo broda} must broda, {le broda} doesn't necessarily have to broda, but that's what I'm calling it, and {la broda} doesn't have to broda, but that's the proper name for it. To address the "la erases all meaning" vs. "la keeps the meaning" thing, my interpretation is that the meaning of the x1 is the name, just like how it works for lo/le. Context can decide how names are translated ("Hi, Day!" vs. "Hi, Donri!" vs. "Hi, Dag!"), but the default is always the meaning (Hi, Day!). 4. Use of cmevla as brivla should be restricted to brands of things ({la .opel.} is the brand, {lo .opel.} is a car of that brand.) or similar situations in which names of things are based upon names, "x1 is called/named..." definitions, simple and recognisable slang which is appropriate for the conversation (perhaps {.i mi .lol.} or something silly for "I lol'd." or {.i mi .dogezas.} for "I (am) bow(ing)."), or quick borrow-words which should be corrected by others ({.i mi .going.} would be understood quickly by English speakers and could be corrected to {cliva} or {klama}.). My strong opinion is that this is very fun and perhaps useful, but should not be a substitute for good fu'ivla. Thoughts? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.