From lojban+bncCK30vq5WEJjaveEEGgSo1zI0@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 03 10:02:48 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OV66l-0005cc-0F; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:47 -0700 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10sf1204094pwi.16 for ; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:20 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:date:from:to:subject:message-id :references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=Bb8LSfmPQbCFgUYUZpY3BGwXsdMd6CXcOLmn/rgNCK8=; b=5CXk8ZNSR4ozY3O7YwWJsvtSteLgo8pj3yWYbezXt6Nbhfbi29VylaYEF33U3lNqJj Pu3o5nCX2Nyw54Q4X7czAUFwlXJ8e6cP7QIIQL5PDo5NxY9LFzD6SmyUtxoJd+UoGaw0 SP4d+x4Qz6YrWnwuzCE5fwW5W/xW+uQpgIKeg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=5m02u2scqp8/aWXlvTjDQgJ3Fjeh5L5THFpjStkT7gh0FRa2MQ5DgvFuUxe0jAITNA QBi2l8FoQA9QKI/SW+EWBmEG6iDeokEvFA4vy9gUS/UQi8DO0h9qLcJwFAhP2RtjmoRH A0c2b3wx0C85kXiiNMoWokY/3oSlPp2BjbFQI= Received: by 10.142.61.21 with SMTP id j21mr47250wfa.40.1278176536578; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:16 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.26.15 with SMTP id d15ls3024308wfj.2.p; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.234.11 with SMTP id g11mr143626wfh.29.1278176534639; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.234.11 with SMTP id g11mr143625wfh.29.1278176534600; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org (chain.digitalkingdom.org [64.81.66.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1si1765834rva.7.2010.07.03.10.02.14; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:14 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=64.81.66.169; Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OV66W-0005YH-K9 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Sat, 03 Jul 2010 10:02:12 -0700 Date: Sat, 3 Jul 2010 10:02:12 -0700 From: Robin Lee Powell To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Roleplaying in Cantr Message-ID: <20100703170212.GZ23879@digitalkingdom.org> References: <4C2F430F.4070003@perpetuum-immobile.de> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: best guess record for domain of rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org designates 64.81.66.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Sat, Jul 03, 2010 at 05:08:22PM +0100, tijlan wrote: > On 3 July 2010 15:02, Timo Paulssen > wrote: > > > On 07/03/2010 03:29 PM, Efrain Caro wrote: > > > From my wrongly spawned English character, I have been seeing > > > people leaving comments like "*she smiles* Yes, that's cheap > > > cooking." That "*she smiles*" is obviously an action, not > > > something that the character said. How could that be expressed > > > in Lojban that could be grammatical Lojban? > > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm sure you will find, that sei should help you with this. > > > > Plus {sa'a}, I guess. {sei ko'a cisma} accompanied by another > (main) bridi looks to me more like a disjunct: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disjunct_(linguistics) > > (lu) .i do mo sei ko'a cisma (li'u) > (") How are you, as she smiles? (") > > (lu) .i do mo sei sa'a ko'a cisma (li'u) > (") How are you? [she smiles] (") In Lojban, though, you'd do: .i do mo sei mi cisma which does not have that problem. Emotes are traditionally 3rd-person in English, but sei means we don't have to follow suit necessarily. If you were going to do it the 3rd person way it'd just be: .i la .cmen. cisma gi'e cusku lu do mo li'u That's how we handled in for the MOO, IIRC. This is also how I do it in English: 03-10:01 * rlpowell smiles and says "Just an emote test." The example given is, IMO, very bad style for an English emote. -Robin -- http://singinst.org/ : Our last, best hope for a fantastic future. Lojban (http://www.lojban.org/): The language in which "this parrot is dead" is "ti poi spitaki cu morsi", but "this sentence is false" is "na nei". My personal page: http://www.digitalkingdom.org/rlp/ -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.