From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCt24LiBBoEfn1SOQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 16 12:06:47 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZqF7-0002tt-DL; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:46 -0700 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30sf429663qyk.16 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=RbAr2zM0IfKkUypde9VJn9UXsd1zsaKDPFVfwDd6tLE=; b=lL5z4c+gGE91Zg02wiIVauIYz9jHD8Ij6+04VgQFjxq4UzAtFosrbHaWQYqVUzUCeZ Az/AlDUVpxqDbLOJ+1Uyjv7+jeGm5vr17xMvUMpi0Rt3eUHsc36uJYYUYa1XFzedNc/o cU64Y5Y0U58YczpqxZ28FTS/51LwjLwPtwddk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=PvxqXv8ebLby2SuiL44RyIF12p8fkszGvK14y6ELoGRwggG790LpoUZw5k1deec5iW uN+QW5kMScTmnOML25BEUSoCf03MhbN27KqbgM0FwfcCyXTYfDoi6+Q0uDUgf1WxI8lN EV3dgbg6lVJveDVRiMVxoI1k/rUNGe5HK7E0Y= Received: by 10.229.1.195 with SMTP id 3mr41848qcg.32.1279307181868; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.100.139 with SMTP id y11ls1390992qan.4.p; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.111.8 with SMTP id q8mr205877qap.12.1279307180660; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.111.8 with SMTP id q8mr205876qap.12.1279307180630; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.216.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q8si1545166qcu.4.2010.07.16.12.06.19; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.177; Received: by qyk1 with SMTP id 1so725605qyk.8 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.32.100 with SMTP id b36mr1397044qad.80.1279307179277; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.75.74 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 12:06:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:06:19 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Connective question From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > So if I want to say "my wife made lemon and lime bars" (where I mean to s= ay > that she made lemon bars and lime bars) is it possible to say this in loj= ban > without repeating the "bar" part? You could use "fa'u": lo speni be mi cu zbasu lo pelnimre fa'u ri'ornimre nanba (I don't know what a lemmon bar is, I'm assuming some kind of cake.) > As a more practical example.... can the following be shortened so that I > don't have to repeat all the common words? > > mi citka lo crino je jukpa je cmalu je cinri je cukla je titla cidja .e l= o > pelxu=A0je jukpa je cmalu je cinri je cukla je titla cidja Is the interesting circular sweet little green cook the maker or the ingredient of the food that you like? :) > I imagine there must be a way of doing this with variable assignment sort= s > of constructs but I was hoping that there might be a way with pure > connectives. There is no rigorous transformation of pure logical connectives (such as ".e") into tanru connectives. The internals of tanru are not really part of pure predicate logic. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.