From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRCjwIPiBBoERmv2TA@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 16 15:42:16 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZtbT-0007JI-51; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:42:15 -0700 Received: by qyk30 with SMTP id 30sf465499qyk.16 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=oujw2GZmA5Faoy3C8+u+n94zdE21GrFWwdu+pCvOM5M=; b=qKTgVcu/t+S4hCKGLA6t1XKzcupKjw0TLqNYMmIRAeYqi70KLtVPqAEjJennFJDm1Z dxIWr7U8pCdGNmy1uYm046QNQZsdizNrDS0YnCeehYqHidZwEBuOeOMRFyw4vRGQ+SHb asnEVdtRhFDrjSSrA0MiTVSP1cfUv7XePxZYE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=Kt7/eBZA8xxGpBhe+Cg/chLOt9r4KQSRWozemBRsNnveGK8bcjwDhk/xcCbNzVDhnu oQDr3V1abC9H1N39veHN3FzdOjvs99/1RerMJJLRk+WNDy1aKP8AepSmq2N57S6majOl SxCa05PhXNos6gl5FQwRlXXTyoRGrJmFMyWVY= Received: by 10.224.21.33 with SMTP id h33mr269023qab.3.1279320100206; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.103.137 with SMTP id k9ls1442578qao.0.p; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.11.2 with SMTP id r2mr234089qar.19.1279320099218; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.11.2 with SMTP id r2mr234088qar.19.1279320099170; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qw0-f42.google.com (mail-qw0-f42.google.com [209.85.216.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id f13si1645551qcq.13.2010.07.16.15.41.38; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.42; Received: by qwb8 with SMTP id 8so755149qwb.15 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:38 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.112.209 with SMTP id x17mr1352310qap.304.1279320097611; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.75.74 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 15:41:37 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201007161814.35472.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201007161814.35472.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 19:41:37 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Connective question From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Friday 16 July 2010 18:09:04 Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> >> I think joi would give you the opposite meaning of what you want, a >> lemon-and-lime bar. > > I agree. I think "jo'u" is the right word; I would say jo'u gives the same as joi, or perhaps it is ambiguous, but I can't see it as forcing a distributive modification. > "fa'u" also works, but if there's > another "fa'u", it results in a correspondence between the two sets of th= ings > joined by "fa'u". Right, but that's really the same case: lo speni cu zbasu lo pelnimre fa'u ri'ornimre nanba [da fa'u de] =3D lo speni cu zbasu lo pelnimre nanba [da] .i lo speni cu zbasu lo ri'ornimre nanba [de] The modifier is distributed whether there is an explicit second fa'u or not, and the meaning doesn't really change. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.