From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCc4IPiBBoEXw7bjw@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 16 16:50:11 2010 Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZufO-0006wS-QH; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:50:11 -0700 Received: by pvg3 with SMTP id 3sf365743pvg.16 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:50:00 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=edsLWWgpdSc+aK+A9NyuWfZxedtNZSYFrAvEiDuQA94=; b=6ao6Tdf4xCo08JlSUDCkK1qYnFG8xpw0jX/HzGSu9F4MDPESpZA4YPJbyl/87ckSs0 MwVCEjC1SneUKV/NMjQ80QFwG66JDscPMxqEz7G90E9+e/d6lworSD16aUW+HeJFfqVW rI9KMl1rN6XvNnBVs8f6I6sBTEmUo5xB+kdx0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=xWDT9tw/UlOJjA4UYLFjIXRKK7qShfwmuymGIGZFZih5l+PAsuvr+lLEqrppJoUsWA PgTRbiuW8M5AJkF0Aj4d5HOP8C8t6OS8FQXfaUhF31BDF3YVtENLA0B5/D9gQpHa1Et4 ajSfQpwOOk6hnRtwHSSaoj/HwK5dnVBNql5Qs= Received: by 10.142.122.20 with SMTP id u20mr110171wfc.30.1279324188858; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.87.7 with SMTP id p7ls11178201wfl.2.p; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.172.6 with SMTP id u6mr389640wfe.22.1279324188054; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.172.6 with SMTP id u6mr389638wfe.22.1279324187994; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pw0-f52.google.com (mail-pw0-f52.google.com [209.85.160.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id g1si2968416rva.7.2010.07.16.16.49.46; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.52; Received: by pwi7 with SMTP id 7so1218425pwi.25 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.233.10 with SMTP id f10mr2440117wfh.215.1279324186021; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.144.17 with HTTP; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 16:49:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201007161843.14617.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <20100715014409.GA12969@myhost> <201007161843.14617.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:49:45 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2e054a91065048b89df2d --000e0cd2e054a91065048b89df2d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why does there have to be strips? On the wiki page an earlier post directs to, there is a reference to Rama, the location of a series of books by Arthur C. Clarke, which utilizes the entire interior surface, not just three strips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama_%28spacecraft%29 (*Rama* is also 54km x 20km d, making it large enough to not need a second cylinder, as it, by itself, has roughly double the surface area as the two smaller ones combined. This also provides the benefit of having a lot of room for wildlife, countryside, etc., if the planned size of the inhabited area is unchanged, which has the dual-benefit of rural excursions and easily explaining where the air comes from.) On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Wednesday 14 July 2010 21:44:09 Brian Robertson wrote: > > To recount our IRC discussion and mostly my feelings and thoughts about > the > > layout of the two cylinders. > > > > Each cylinder is 32Km long and 8Km in diametre. Now, it seems a bit silly > > to have this much space being used to segregate districts so we thought > > each strip being it's own town made some sense (Only throwing out ideas; > > With the small width it might make more sense to have the entire cylinder > > be a larger version of this town, but we got the dimensions wrong to > start > > with.). This gives us three land strips in each cylinder (for 6 in total) > > with a length of 32Km and a width of about 4Km ((pi*8)/6). If we split > each > > strip into eight parts we get eight roughly square sections of land at > > 4Km^2. The current suggestion is to make the center two sections a > > "downtown", the sections directly on either side of downtown being > > commercial/residential areas, and the two sections at the far end of each > > end being suburbs (see crappy diagram). > > > > > |--------------------------------------------32Km-------------------------- > > |-------------------| > > | > --suburb--|--suburb--|--com/res--|--downtown--|--downtown--|--com/res--|- > > |-suburb--|--suburb--| ]- ~4Km > > I'm thinking of roads connecting the three land strips, one at the equator > (between the two downtown squares) and the other two in the suburbs. The > roads are traveled mostly by bicycle, being the most efficient means of > locomotion. > > One end of the cylinder is north and the other is south. Are the cylinders > connected north-to-north or south-to-south? How do you go from one cylinder > to the other? > > The outer ring is used for agriculture. Anyone have ideas about that? What > about fish? I haven't seen anything resembling an ocean. > > Pierre > -- > lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd2e054a91065048b89df2d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why does there have to be strips? On the wiki page an earlier post directs = to, there is a reference to Rama, the location of a series of books by Arth= ur C. Clarke, which utilizes the entire interior surface, not just three st= rips: http:/= /en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama_%28spacecraft%29

(Rama is also 54km x 20km d, making it large enough to not need = a second cylinder, as it, by itself, has roughly double the surface area as= the two smaller ones combined. This also provides the benefit of having a = lot of room for wildlife, countryside, etc., if the planned size of the inh= abited area is unchanged, which has the dual-benefit of rural excursions an= d easily explaining where the air comes from.)

On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Pierre Abba= t <phma@phma.opt= us.nu> wrote:
On Wednesday 14 July 2010 21:44:09 Brian Robertson wrote:=
> To recount our IRC discussion and mostly my feelings and thoughts abou= t the
> layout of the two cylinders.
>
> Each cylinder is 32Km long and 8Km in diametre. Now, it seems a bit si= lly
> to have this much space being used to segregate districts so we though= t
> each strip being it's own town made some sense (Only throwing out = ideas;
> With the small width it might make more sense to have the entire cylin= der
> be a larger version of this town, but we got the dimensions wrong to s= tart
> with.). This gives us three land strips in each cylinder (for 6 in tot= al)
> with a length of 32Km and a width of about 4Km ((pi*8)/6). If we split= each
> strip into eight parts we get eight roughly square sections of land at=
> 4Km^2. The current suggestion is to make the center two sections a
> "downtown", the sections directly on either side of downtown= being
> commercial/residential areas, and the two sections at the far end of e= ach
> end being suburbs (see crappy diagram).
>
> |--------------------------------------------32Km---------------------= -----
> |-------------------|
> | --suburb--|--suburb--|--com/res--|--downtown--|--downtown--|--com/re= s--|-
> |-suburb--|--suburb--| =A0]- ~4Km

I'm thinking of roads connecting the three land strips, one at th= e equator
(between the two downtown squares) and the other two in the suburbs. The roads are traveled mostly by bicycle, being the most efficient means of
locomotion.

One end of the cylinder is north and the other is south. Are the cylinders<= br> connected north-to-north or south-to-south? How do you go from one cylinder=
to the other?

The outer ring is used for agriculture. Anyone have ideas about that? What<= br> about fish? I haven't seen anything resembling an ocean.

Pierre
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