From lojban+bncCMqlifSxDBC8gITiBBoEVozj9w@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 16 17:58:58 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OZvjy-0006M6-NW; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:58 -0700 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10sf374859pwi.16 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=k3iCHBSqM2daKrSdHcOD/tJpsTH03kaU4ISb5AAHfxU=; b=nuMOBZSWzk3zTqgA71WOU9r/nEzDdoM9QoQMXFFiGBf40nBQ1QN+u38/8ufrHKFkoF eoqbLQniQlO5rLrMkbuEqWX8l3g2oDC5PoyeQjlLn9iYy8umuEM5jJ+s6HDlQR29rYDh EUbhGcHJAons2uP7fFJ062Xqn2QUIgTHHF/Go= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id:references :mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=GmRJhfSicbBx1deSTsJVDNWdEKQTIyGZ2WN+G5Tb50sQGhM3pwYn0sZPYSVOV7eTW3 GLwz416Tx5jKcMR+FtQXw2TpnBM05X/Au1zESyzQAsA1N99dFee0f947IRugHZV/DsSi XAgkL65xgJ+3XwifnyNmFSqqbq1r6lldde/4U= Received: by 10.142.151.4 with SMTP id y4mr107482wfd.38.1279328316708; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.21.16 with SMTP id y16ls11232412wfi.0.p; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.172.3 with SMTP id u3mr398140wfe.49.1279328315793; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.172.3 with SMTP id u3mr398139wfe.49.1279328315765; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f174.google.com (mail-px0-f174.google.com [209.85.212.174]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r28si1929915wak.6.2010.07.16.17.58.34; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of raposa.msscripting@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.174; Received: by pxi14 with SMTP id 14so1392962pxi.33 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.215.14 with SMTP id n14mr2004706wfg.13.1279328314528; Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost ([75.159.185.13]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id g37sm13845076rvb.17.2010.07.16.17.58.33 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Fri, 16 Jul 2010 17:58:34 -0700 (PDT) Date: Fri, 16 Jul 2010 18:59:43 -0600 From: Brian Robertson To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show Message-ID: <20100717005943.GB4945@myhost> References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <20100715014409.GA12969@myhost> <201007161843.14617.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: raposa.msscripting@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of raposa.msscripting@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.174 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=raposa.msscripting@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 05:49:45PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Why does there have to be strips? On the wiki page an earlier post directs > to, there is a reference to Rama, the location of a series of books by > Arthur C. Clarke, which utilizes the entire interior surface, not just > three strips: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama_%28spacecraft%29 > > (Rama is also 54km x 20km d, making it large enough to not need a second > cylinder, as it, by itself, has roughly double the surface area as the two > smaller ones combined. This also provides the benefit of having a lot of > room for wildlife, countryside, etc., if the planned size of the inhabited > area is unchanged, which has the dual-benefit of rural excursions and > easily explaining where the air comes from.) > > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 4:43 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > > On Wednesday 14 July 2010 21:44:09 Brian Robertson wrote: > > To recount our IRC discussion and mostly my feelings and thoughts > about the > > layout of the two cylinders. > > > > Each cylinder is 32Km long and 8Km in diametre. Now, it seems a bit > silly > > to have this much space being used to segregate districts so we > thought > > each strip being it's own town made some sense (Only throwing out > ideas; > > With the small width it might make more sense to have the entire > cylinder > > be a larger version of this town, but we got the dimensions wrong to > start > > with.). This gives us three land strips in each cylinder (for 6 in > total) > > with a length of 32Km and a width of about 4Km ((pi*8)/6). If we split > each > > strip into eight parts we get eight roughly square sections of land at > > 4Km^2. The current suggestion is to make the center two sections a > > "downtown", the sections directly on either side of downtown being > > commercial/residential areas, and the two sections at the far end of > each > > end being suburbs (see crappy diagram). > > > > > |--------------------------------------------32Km-------------------------- > > |-------------------| > > | > --suburb--|--suburb--|--com/res--|--downtown--|--downtown--|--com/res--|- > > |-suburb--|--suburb--| ]- ~4Km > > I'm thinking of roads connecting the three land strips, one at the > equator > (between the two downtown squares) and the other two in the suburbs. The > roads are traveled mostly by bicycle, being the most efficient means of > locomotion. > > One end of the cylinder is north and the other is south. Are the > cylinders > connected north-to-north or south-to-south? How do you go from one > cylinder > to the other? > > The outer ring is used for agriculture. Anyone have ideas about that? > What > about fish? I haven't seen anything resembling an ocean. > > Pierre > -- > lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. I would like to see some actual designs and engineering thoughts about the Roma. The fact that there's two cylinders was concluded to not be for the extra space, but to be for control and possitioning of the cylinders. Although I can't recall it now, there was also a discution about the 'entire inside' design, and it was concluded to not be a practical design (maybe clsn could add more to this). Cheers, lorx. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.