From lojban+bncCKi12tLPFBDqr4niBBoETRr5Ow@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 17 18:25:18 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OaIcy-0004ij-HU; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:25:17 -0700 Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18sf836027fxm.16 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:25:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-provags-id :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=9Z4jvU/qnXuLl8c+ifZjy32O6/VZUzXgNyyIW9wPDPU=; b=PJxp6iWV/Y+itoTFq4PEWqjAWzw1qkcfNiMvEt6vDCw3MCJTkrWOfjqWnKs/mbf7ZA gmPbEThxj0aXc1YLXc285NRHkjpaCxUNRHXohQcxu1n/Q3UiKiIkCKRFPbU6DX+y8rvN 2/DxarY0oJuMAE7T+bdro5pwB++k1XqbTj4FI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-provags-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=oibW74BK0zxDls+yZ9GqSUjj400fpJ3zmDWF9e5sdx87REwIIDfezG2akHfdGBYJw5 YKAVLKYeI/uYHxsCm2NyRv7zKCSgzpBcE5YJAOIVZerMDw7g5vwTwnm3GZ6vW9wOnpEi 1//8swyJu0RmDBE3x1YM4Z5SJ0Ov2LP5ZqyxY= Received: by 10.223.6.201 with SMTP id a9mr82193faa.26.1279416298954; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:24:58 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.131.200 with SMTP id y8ls3243816bks.2.p; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:24:57 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.130 with SMTP id b2mr106455bkl.12.1279416296995; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.82.130 with SMTP id b2mr106454bkl.12.1279416296971; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.186]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id d23si2531995bkd.7.2010.07.17.18.24.56; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:24:56 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.186 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) client-ip=212.227.126.186; Received: from [192.168.1.102] (82-71-48-121.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.71.48.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu0) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MHcds-1OdbTY16fE-003TqC; Sun, 18 Jul 2010 03:24:56 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show From: CosmicRay In-Reply-To: <201007172044.23358.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Sun, 18 Jul 2010 02:24:55 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201007171541.26273.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201007172044.23358.phma@phma.optus.nu> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:MHqp2Y8atc7F0IkOQyZfj84zCyT5ErBec5NWoTq6lqf HYHqijOOe4NCTQcv3hhDAzH4nQvj/zSw+ae9aKjZ71e+1OzTvU ufZlhbMAA6T5RqIcJkTrXuRafu6/DPhpMbyXVNpJuga9yDHgz5 uLy3J62w5xZpo3jbiTJWzPX0Ub5eWxDdTcAir5vwzAqRAR5FTe g3wOLMnXnaIteBtlIo+MUxPcjHrYb+vrQW7D+4Ru8o= X-Original-Sender: cr@cosmicray.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.186 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) smtp.mail=cr@cosmicray.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable How many people would be needed to safely "seed" that number of descendants= without the associated problems that a genetic bottleneck can produce? Ho= w long, assuming that the population wasn't added to by additional colonise= rs from Earth (or the net difference between joiners and leavers is zero), = for the colony to naturally attain that number? Essentially I'm wondering if the station was there right now with that numb= er of people, when was it founded and with how many people? kozmikreis On 18 Jul 2010, at 01:44, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Saturday 17 July 2010 17:20:59 Lindar wrote: >> Okay, but the densities need to be different between the metro area >> and the two suburbs. >>=20 >> Let's put the suburbs at 200-400/km=B2. >>=20 >> Hollywood (my city of residence) is 64.6 km=B2 and approx 1900/km=B2. >> Let's maybe put the metro centre at 800-1k/km=B2. Does that sound >> reasonable? >>=20 >> What does that bring our population to, approximately? >=20 > If the suburbs are 300/km=B2, the metro centre 900/km=B2, and the interme= diate=20 > areas halfway between the two densities, the total population is 201600 (= or=20 > 211115 with the curvature correction). >=20 > Pierre > --=20 > li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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