From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDDuoniBBoE97qd7g@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 17 18:48:06 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OaIz4-0006Jw-KV; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:48:06 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf6787538gxk.16 for ; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=l0Ice4zLh1mLCme7I4u6/3ZlccIFJ4N9s7LuOOmebsU=; b=33B9+QPUM49o0pgeUEqEeulZ+imaB49YwEqzBSbILhScqvbp3KkGPBIFMiRFFwUrUm YnXQsY0YdIwO2XTAnvqdYixjRbfFF18frfCf11BUy0mRc+KF/2VO105cLBDl3rIW42jf 6xoJ3B+ECFSS7yNhSEL9EeO7rAU7GWPRA6RPI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=RwKF+IiQUHl+vX3swxelIONLxBzQspg6PTK+TyXeoHZCj+ejVnqJdCTb1XBQ79RfzQ AlmKMKNQuQAU7ia0zgf8Nl6XiuXskPCBD9juN+yE0IFf4hraeL0OoJZMwLFd0kIU15t6 bK9OlQdgqDpRbG8s5Car76LZdAhUUFJgCqSOs= Received: by 10.90.70.18 with SMTP id s18mr605939aga.49.1279417667885; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.157.16 with SMTP id j16ls245805ago.7.p; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.69.20 with SMTP id r20mr614910aga.39.1279417666848; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by m17g2000prl.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sat, 17 Jul 2010 18:47:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam_score: 2.4 X-Spam_score_int: 24 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: We need to start a list of culturalisms that we want to borrow directly from cultures. I'm starting with the base languages, but please link to other cultures at the same time. Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_ancestral_treasures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_guardian_lions [...] Content analysis details: (2.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 X_IP Message has X-IP header 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is freemail (lindarthebard[at]yahoo.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.6 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature We need to start a list of culturalisms that we want to borrow directly from cultures. I'm starting with the base languages, but please link to other cultures at the same time. Chinese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_ancestral_treasures http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Imperial_guardian_lions http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Color_in_Chinese_culture Colours? I'd love to have an agreed colour-meaning. Maybe that would be subjective? Maybe not used at all? (too metaphorical?) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Numbers_in_Chinese_culture Same for numbers? Perhaps incorporate Chinese festival things for country holidays? English: Uhhh... I can't grasp anything unique from this. I can't really describe English culture as that's what's normal for me. Indian: I can spot a few things that I -personally- find interesting, but I'm having a hard time with this one. The interesting aspects overlap with the things I like about other Asian cultures (theatre, music, stories, food). Unfortunately, I'm not familiar enough with Indian culture to make a good evaluation of its key components, but from what I understand of personal experience and from reading about it, Indian culture seems very family-centric (to the point of having 3-4 generations all living in the same house, brothers, sisters, cousins, uncles, and every other family member), patriarchal (men have the final word, men invariably lead the household), and traditionalist (religion is the law above everything). A -lot- of these concepts seem to be polar opposites of modernist ideas of society (equal treatment between sexes, fluid maternal and paternal roles, independence). Apparently a popular fashion statement in both India -and- Russia is the bindi. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bindi_%28decoration%29 This just looks comfortable. ~____~ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhoti As does this! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lungi http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarong Spanish: I don't know anything about Spanish culture (I know a bit about Mexican due to my living in California), but I've only met one Spanish person in my entire life, I have never had Spanish food, and so on. However, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tapas looks freaking DELICIOUS. That is all I really know about that culture. Russian: Russia has, as I understand it, a strong history of literature, art, and technological innovation (some 1/4 of all scientific works are in Russian as I understand it) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_jokes However, I also understand that they're going through a cultural/ social/artistic depression right now (based on descriptions from a previous room mate and a class mate) Arabic: I'm not fucking touching this one with a lunar rover. Have fun! Perhaps we can start to come up with some social customs and holidays with this and borrowing from other cultures? Japanese: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabuki http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gagaku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bunraku http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noh (nogaku) ~_____~ By the way, I'm not including food because it's impossible to do. I don't really know what Arabic food is, but Spanish food looks amazing, Indian food is AWESOME, English food is mostly Indian food nowadays so therefore is AWESOME, Chinese food is great, and Russian food is...boiled... Outside of the source language circle, I am a rather large fan of washoku. I think that there is too much food out there to say that we'd have a specific kind of food or a particular blend. Food fusions might be awesome (I make baked spam and udon with a mean curry- shoyu broth), but let's just let the food fly for now. I see Lojbanites eating a slow lunch, napping in the evening for an hour or two, dinner near midnight, and having a lot of nonbiological extended family for twice-weekly dinners. Everybody is Uncle/Aunt or Friend, people have several mothers and fathers (whether or not they're biological, adoptive, or whatever doesn't really matter), and even enemies are friends (ala the Japanese concept of "rivals"). Most importantly, people mind their own damn business when they should. I also think that, in this universe, but not in this particular story, we should include Uncle Robin's nontheist/whatevertheist church (we had a long and very fun discussion about that some time previous). I think that would be a great thing to include in stories that take place on the station, but aren't this one, because the topic (or not topic) of religion (or unreligion) doesn't really belong in this kind of show. Ideas? -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.