From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDI2JTiBBoEaUd3nQ@googlegroups.com Mon Jul 19 21:56:09 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Ob4rw-0003WY-NZ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:56:09 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf11091566gxk.16 for ; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:55:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=zjNol3FiT4UInlyPEXSC7+iL9cq+2fjTULQILT5REME=; b=h9fBc4n6kdG+YIhnAVB+4OAoXPP73Sk/naKDz32ZEW3XG6W35fCxLsdJb/NuDozXdP 0119ajvQgociATZH95TpZAb+gQ98Y9lJD8SAQ7wRWeRbR9bdHBbNqBnUJhp3Ttv2kSFM mAs3a0e82o7rWFXkVj6VAev3zYnMMJl9y4GEo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=D2bK9hm6oH5jZlYcx5JGTIV/wvB24/RrLpdl0fpJtT9uYixC9pFr2t90Emqtb+gsQl 0/+il1dNUMR6mpJ9QM7cvyFD5TWJGCNJ/MrDPludFnaquqD8kJh1y/wLTx2FT/15LFQ8 pT40NGdkMQyqM5fN8Uc1BbqGmTE9VbeKlVXlQ= Received: by 10.90.49.16 with SMTP id w16mr1162037agw.54.1279601736548; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:55:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.125.29 with SMTP id w29ls3619558ibr.0.p; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.213 with SMTP id e21mr1041072ibz.9.1279601735586; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.170.213 with SMTP id e21mr1041070ibz.9.1279601735280; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e25si4428639ibk.7.2010.07.19.21.55.35; Mon, 19 Jul 2010 21:55:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=yoWPwLFxrrRT6x3Ewqsfqptf/qfy3YLz+GdVswRYE64= c=1 sm=0 a=MHzvBQPmOFwA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=XSK3uKXkAEvFzxgrdfMA:9 a=RquOxnIUifkPbeLRrPuQ6mljZ2MA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:42981] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id BE/7B-07625-64C254C4; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 04:55:35 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6C5351350 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:55:33 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 00:55:30 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <0ea116b6-80d3-498e-a6c8-80377826906f@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <0ea116b6-80d3-498e-a6c8-80377826906f@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201007200055.31547.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 18 July 2010 15:50:29 Lindar wrote: > It's not unusual to find people with gismu names, and it's not unusual > to see people with cmevla names based on gismu. As there's no real > convention for first/last name, It could be something like {la .djan. > pe la .smit.} for "John of the Smiths" or simply, "John Smith". I'm > not really sure as it's never been discussed AFAIK. I don't see middle > names being used, and I -do- see naming conventions being borrowed > from Japanese (friends will abbreviate your name however they see fit > or come up with any number of bizarre nicknames based on how your name > sounds/is read) and Native American culture. You may also indeed see > Lojbanised names from first generation kids or immigrants much like > you'll see for foreigners in Japan (who are legally required to have > their name be written in Japanese). I think everyone should have two family names. The first is matrilineal; th= e=20 second is patrilineal. Since few cultures (that I know of) are matrilineal,= =20 the matrilineal name will usually be of Lojban origin, while the patrilinea= l=20 name will often be from some natlang. E.g. la =E9rjebet.larfint.etceberiak.= =20 tixnu la .=EDldikos.larfint.kovatc. e la .adolbok.blozbas.etceberiak. (Ildi= k=F3=20 had to get used to the order. Where she comes from, the order is Kov=E1cs= =20 Ildik=F3.) Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.