From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDpspjiBBoEdkQH7g@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 20 14:47:46 2010 Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ObKf3-0003YY-Re; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:46 -0700 Received: by pxi13 with SMTP id 13sf1030116pxi.16 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=TTgqfByeJWm00A28ZcZjiQsIqORwByLw6po32gzSHTo=; b=5kxVbYG6IT5G3VovMA2bUxbylNSA897Gsbv3vann17UEGFKsYP3RaBsrnSNGTsCPAX ubQ20dAkgZaF3KsOvD3ZftQBLYTRFI2pYudFEa9nkq44FyMC/homVfAc8EKxK7SI1cJ5 mM6W5w0W4QEJxBXWZeZF4ArqELSVIRdQYMJJI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DuSpiiKARkPDosSIyYY6VxnPMUAJ20PLxmu1FFulHwP6W9c5jK3CQnsDSJaIBZnx37 8X4cXiSRgptLXkPcVLM/0zWrctBKgOP0JCnXEuv4Y1zz9XxYKGIMiJnA36LjGNAm46Fx RbBPtTkz37jrmkPEuEttuRm/szTsPlNMrt8+w= Received: by 10.114.55.19 with SMTP id d19mr487973waa.12.1279662441339; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.135.14 with SMTP id m14ls937969wan.2.p; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.75.20 with SMTP id x20mr1668602waa.43.1279662440436; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.75.20 with SMTP id x20mr1668601waa.43.1279662440390; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f169.google.com (mail-pv0-f169.google.com [74.125.83.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j18si6274979wan.1.2010.07.20.14.47.19; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.169; Received: by mail-pv0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 30so2824948pvc.14 for ; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.177.21 with SMTP id z21mr5247023wfe.64.1279662439182; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.144.17 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Jul 2010 14:47:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <0ea116b6-80d3-498e-a6c8-80377826906f@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <201007190010.57987.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4C440884.5080805@perpetuum-immobile.de> <400dfd08-0c4b-435b-8fbd-533e4ec73b51@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <9BA17869-14E1-4D59-B9F3-89D9D09DD66D@cosmicray.co.uk> <2d997da9-6b4d-425e-b3eb-7b6796e45439@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <8F3F3CEA-830C-4E2A-9586-21F255443167@cosmicray.co.uk> <10ef5a69-ef57-4fa5-86dc-a61f0b4178f6@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> Date: Tue, 20 Jul 2010 15:47:19 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - internet stuff From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd28d921eb2a4048bd8a14f --000e0cd28d921eb2a4048bd8a14f Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What time period is this whole thing happening? If it's sufficiently far enough in the future, it's easy to justify a much quicker trip than a week. Technological advances could easily account for a trip that would currently take as much as a week being much shorter. Also, in looking up the Lagrange points, I found thisinformation. Based on it, IMO L1 is a really bad location for the station, due to being in continuous eclipse of the sun relative to Earth, L2 is just as bad as the station would then be in eternal night due to the sun being eclipsed by the sun, L3 is on the other side of Earth's orbit, and L1-L3 are very unstable locations, requiring frequent velocity corrections to maintain position. The above assumes that we are talking about the Earth-Sun Lagrange points, and not the Earth-Moon ones, which are much closer, as EM L3, L4, and L5 are all ~ the distance to the Moon. In any case, my suggestion is: 1) Place lojgugde at EML4 or EML5. These three locations are close to the Earth, and have the lowest need for orbital correction, making either the optimal (IMO) location for a station. 2) With rocket science circa 1960's, EML4 and EML5 are three days away. Either technology has advanced enough that the trip is much shorter, the trip is edited to remove things like sleeping, or only the arrival (last 4 hours or so) is shown. On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM, CosmicRay wrote: > On 20 Jul 2010, at 07:48, Lindar wrote: > > > So let's assume it takes a week to arrive there... should we script > > that into the show, or what? > > I'm torn on that, I want it to be scientifically accurate where possible > but at the same time I want to keep the pace of change up, at least for the > first episode or two. Maybe it can be a week but conveniently the interim > details are kept at a minimum so the characters reach the Lojgugde station > at the end of the first episode. > > I've fleshed out most of Act 1 Scene 3 now, apart from the history bit. > > Alpha and Beta are still needing names. Can the Director do some concept > artwork, it might stimulate us collectively to think of good names? > > kozmikreis > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd28d921eb2a4048bd8a14f Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What time period is this whole thing happening? If it's sufficiently fa= r enough in the future, it's easy to justify a much quicker trip than a= week. Technological advances could easily account for a trip that would cu= rrently take as much as a week being much shorter.

Also, in looking up the Lagrange points, I found this information. Based on it, = IMO L1 is a really bad location for the station, due to being in continuous= eclipse of the sun relative to Earth, L2 is just as bad as the station wou= ld then be in eternal night due to the sun being eclipsed by the sun, L3 is= on the other side of Earth's orbit, and L1-L3 are very unstable locati= ons, requiring frequent velocity corrections to maintain position.

The above assumes that we are talking about the Earth-Sun Lagrange poin= ts, and not the Earth-Moon ones, which are much closer, as EM L3, L4, and L= 5 are all ~ the distance to the Moon.

In any case, my suggestion is:=

1) Place lojgugde at EML4 or EML5. These three locations are close to t= he Earth, and have the lowest need for orbital correction, making either th= e optimal (IMO) location for a station.

2) With rocket science circa= 1960's, EML4 and EML5 are three days away. Either technology has advan= ced enough that the trip is much shorter, the trip is edited to remove thin= gs like sleeping, or only the arrival (last 4 hours or so) is shown.

On Tue, Jul 20, 2010 at 3:02 PM, CosmicRay <= span dir=3D"ltr"><cr@cosmicray.co.= uk> wrote:
On 20 Jul 2010, at 07:48, Lindar wrote:

> So let's assume it takes a week to arrive there... should we scrip= t
> that into the show, or what?

I'm torn on that, I want it to be scientifically accurate where p= ossible but at the same time I want to keep the pace of change up, at least= for the first episode or two. =A0Maybe it can be a week but conveniently t= he interim details are kept at a minimum so the characters reach the Lojgug= de station at the end of the first episode.

I've fleshed out most of Act 1 Scene 3 now, apart from the history bit.=

Alpha and Beta are still needing names. =A0Can the Director do some concept= artwork, it might stimulate us collectively to think of good names?

kozmikreis

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