From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDk-pziBBoEUDhKOg@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 21 11:33:28 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Obe6d-0006ax-Ut; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:33:28 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf15679778gxk.16 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:33:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=FG4XZPfSzR/lGNiMs0zuGMWOMoPTjiusjbaDQBE2XIc=; b=uJlluDjixJqo703BOnRoLEdJz/8hwy4HMs8j/ApjyRPsGhz/xzpkz5QoXt7bbxGw8L rYxPVC9lS4LVNde3HLKZwbKgJFhQIUTGmeobAC2yaO5fYNePQey/0UB6z9cZYIx1LK0m eR+bB21S604+fjJqslTMXpsOrsfkFyLtuxuDE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=TLdbjIBfx4K1Y0S6MDulNChLPcCijB3hC5uSNLrQMC2Bnf+oFa8ieDsjceQH7e0bJx 4LTta3gHEoFm6ldwPjW+OmyFyQTbhgNa2m7im9YW7NLqbsLgUzTsjy/aweyX5dURbSZp /6Mfjwu5O0lU9RxKHqiWjNXGi+1q/+AwXlTMQ= Received: by 10.90.119.3 with SMTP id r3mr425341agc.48.1279737188348; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:33:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.241.31 with SMTP id o31ls212076ybh.5.p; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.151.13.3 with SMTP id q3mr1381613ybi.17.1279737187547; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:33:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.105.198 with SMTP id u6mr16291fao.19.1279735669400; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:07:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.105.198 with SMTP id u6mr16290fao.19.1279735668989; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f42.google.com (mail-fx0-f42.google.com [209.85.161.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id r21si2493120fam.12.2010.07.21.11.07.47; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.42; Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17so4616853fxm.1 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:07:47 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.223.122.195 with SMTP id m3mr705746far.86.1279735667630; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:07:47 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.104.132 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 11:07:47 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <10ef5a69-ef57-4fa5-86dc-a61f0b4178f6@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <201007202235.57096.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 19:07:47 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - names From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636c5b142e0224a048be9ad6b --001636c5b142e0224a048be9ad6b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 21 July 2010 04:41, Lindar wrote: > > Where is Alpha from? Does Beta have any particular ethnic background, or > is he > > a mutt? What is the ethnic background of the Lojban population? > > Beta is a girl. > Alpha is not from anywhere in particular. I wanted it to be easily > dubbed into any language, and I didn't want the character to obviously > be of any ethnicity. > Is Alpha male? Scientifically speaking, at least for humans, it's more like that female emerged before male: http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119799&page=1 http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/ask_yan/which_came_first_man_or_woman It's also worth noting that the Y chromosome is a variation of the original, basic, a-sexual chromosome called "autosome", while the X chromosome is a direct successor to the autosome ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Origin). XY makes male, XX makes female. Then it's safe to say that, for all species with the XY sex-determination system, female is closer to the original neutral form, of which male is a derivative. 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On 21 July 2010 04:41, Lindar = <lindarthebard@yahoo.com&= gt; wrote:
> Where is Alpha from? Does Beta have any particular e= thnic background, or is he
> a mutt? What is the ethnic background of the Lojban population?

Beta is a girl.
Alpha is not from anywhere in particular. I wanted it to be easily
dubbed into any language, and I didn't want the character to obviously<= br> be of any ethnicity.

Is Alpha male? Scientifically= speaking, at least for humans, it's more like that female emerged befo= re male:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=3D119799&pag= e=3D1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/ask_yan/which_came_first_man_or_woman

It's also worth noting that the Y chromosome is a variatio= n of the original, basic, a-sexual chromosome called "autosome", = while the X chromosome is a direct successor to the autosome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wik= i/Y_chromosome#Origin). XY makes male, XX makes female. Then it's = safe to say that, for all species with the XY sex-determination system, fem= ale is closer to the original neutral form, of which male is a derivative.<= br>
So I suggest Alpha be female.

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