From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBCVjJ3iBBoEBN8atA@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 21 12:10:47 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ObegX-000181-Ep; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:47 -0700 Received: by vws19 with SMTP id 19sf1694131vws.16 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RyOpvrkMQ40enDCEdUC5NyPF95lnFwe1xhPvqVt+TQY=; b=OlSPsL2AdVWzArACNetG+8UmFLxHdXtiEpEhHkPUi+duwcb5qUx0k+lagryePYAslO SukXccUPK9h71926XY1PfeEeyD/LSGHqFlifNxyhFNrIbyekGTouC15fR3b5T8SChs48 EeMH28cPuw8W8AsK5AaeiR4pvEa/7/lYk4qvw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=NfczhDbidg+HLI/8RqyLfPN1EDjavJmSQKqYcW4AsqpzpiQPLdnzOmfbEnsSY06hAM TblTca9o44k0CeygDbqzfr3DT5A2bTOmy6UmoBQoSenI9K3Vc8Ols/C+GiMTcFcM5CuU xGOeYm8yEpCEvMy4JuC9H0C1Ojja/1eFn/CCI= Received: by 10.229.216.133 with SMTP id hi5mr22017qcb.13.1279739413754; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:13 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.247.2 with SMTP id ma2ls1992251qcb.0.p; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.37.14 with SMTP id v14mr87402qad.3.1279739412183; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.37.14 with SMTP id v14mr87401qad.3.1279739412150; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f54.google.com (mail-vw0-f54.google.com [209.85.212.54]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id q5si709549qcs.14.2010.07.21.12.10.11; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.54; Received: by mail-vw0-f54.google.com with SMTP id 19so10270458vws.27 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.100.213 with SMTP id z21mr334422vcn.1.1279739410897; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.76.204 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 12:10:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <10ef5a69-ef57-4fa5-86dc-a61f0b4178f6@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <201007202235.57096.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:10:10 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - names From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.54 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6475534fdd9e9048bea8caa --0016e6475534fdd9e9048bea8caa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm sorry, what? I think one thing to keep in mind is that we're going to have to voice this ourselves. Have any females (or males who can make their voice sound like a female child) signed up for primary voice actor yet? This is something to be considered, I think. On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 21 July 2010 04:41, Lindar wrote: > >> > Where is Alpha from? Does Beta have any particular ethnic background, or >> is he >> > a mutt? What is the ethnic background of the Lojban population? >> >> Beta is a girl. >> Alpha is not from anywhere in particular. I wanted it to be easily >> dubbed into any language, and I didn't want the character to obviously >> be of any ethnicity. >> > > Is Alpha male? Scientifically speaking, at least for humans, it's more like > that female emerged before male: > > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119799&page=1 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/ask_yan/which_came_first_man_or_woman > > It's also worth noting that the Y chromosome is a variation of the > original, basic, a-sexual chromosome called "autosome", while the X > chromosome is a direct successor to the autosome ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Origin). XY makes male, XX makes > female. Then it's safe to say that, for all species with the XY > sex-determination system, female is closer to the original neutral form, of > which male is a derivative. > > So I suggest Alpha be female. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e6475534fdd9e9048bea8caa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm sorry, what?

I think one thing to keep in mind i= s that we're going to have to voice this ourselves. =A0Have any females= (or males who can make their voice sound like a female child) signed up fo= r primary voice actor yet? =A0This is something to be considered, I think.<= br>
On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 2:07 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.co= m> wrote:
On 21 July 2010 04:41, Lindar = <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Where is Alpha from? Does Beta have any particular ethnic backgro= und, or is he
> a mutt? What is the ethnic background of the Lojban population?

Beta is a girl.
Alpha is not from anywhere in particular. I wanted it to be easily
dubbed into any language, and I didn't want the character to obviously<= br> be of any ethnicity.

Is Alpha male? Scientif= ically speaking, at least for humans, it's more like that female emerge= d before male:

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/= story?id=3D119799&page=3D1
http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/ask_yan/which_came_first_man_o= r_woman

It's also worth noting that the Y chromo= some is a variation of the original, basic, a-sexual chromosome called &quo= t;autosome", while the X chromosome is a direct successor to the autos= ome (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Origin). XY makes m= ale, XX makes female. Then it's safe to say that, for all species with = the XY sex-determination system, female is closer to the original neutral f= orm, of which male is a derivative.

So I suggest Alpha be female.

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