From lojban+bncCKi12tLPFBDF2p3iBBoEkQBbRg@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 21 14:57:44 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1ObhIJ-0005LP-Rw; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:44 -0700 Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18sf2141320fxm.16 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:33 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-provags-id :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=wD9SGm5F+9+ET2LKK/7sIX9Y3FjnNVH41HysyeEJXU4=; b=uHSf6JpKF3Jm+cB2lQxyi6EtCRtyveCMLc+M+owMxdGgKLCKWi3F5ahcSbWYHNZM35 0aioBUn3G8F8G96hyKDZ7RN5TYv+YLX30TcsSkEsAnarrZaO4GyUDLJiSg5LTXSTAz0x RS94ymR/vK9oEMniuvUfqIZvtOuW2LorEw904= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-provags-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=TGVp1j5OThLHj0zfaEoyr+wJ5min4ps6fnXMmWBjiKTjHVgp0xhk1XuubRS4TRCXbV HnLTEgJ5L65fdtxUzFXo2bxNJn5oQYcpUZu9qe0katjl6t6kp1iSKdijORLME3JoDRaR 0g73SFWrNBBoSItj9gLOVZypSUzhwhrEahxjM= Received: by 10.223.76.211 with SMTP id d19mr64433fak.6.1279749445066; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:25 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.152.197 with SMTP id h5ls4519759bkw.3.p; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.15.130 with SMTP id k2mr34697bka.19.1279749443460; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.15.130 with SMTP id k2mr34696bka.19.1279749443408; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.171]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id bv13si5208111bkb.0.2010.07.21.14.57.23; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 14:57:23 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) client-ip=212.227.126.171; Received: from [192.168.1.102] (82-71-48-121.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.71.48.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap1) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MZfXq-1OKZJc1rdG-00KvOz; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 23:57:23 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - internet stuff From: CosmicRay In-Reply-To: <1B6A273C-961E-4867-9860-71893E717BFA@cosmicray.co.uk> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 22:57:21 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <0ea116b6-80d3-498e-a6c8-80377826906f@z34g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <201007190010.57987.phma@phma.optus.nu> <4C440884.5080805@perpetuum-immobile.de> <400dfd08-0c4b-435b-8fbd-533e4ec73b51@y12g2000prb.googlegroups.com> <9BA17869-14E1-4D59-B9F3-89D9D09DD66D@cosmicray.co.uk> <2d997da9-6b4d-425e-b3eb-7b6796e45439@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <8F3F3CEA-830C-4E2A-9586-21F255443167@cosmicray.co.uk> <10ef5a69-ef57-4fa5-86dc-a61f0b4178f6@q16g2000prf.googlegroups.com> <1B6A273C-961E-4867-9860-71893E717BFA@cosmicray.co.uk> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:py2Qga4xdwuoO80k9jctrLlpftK7j3T1vvp4VLzz4zC oyjzTQrg240fSM6BG28w4itGc06Q6hnr0dfojlgsQVt7s+fLmF HmCp2w8bcydYKZpGDdfAnuuL4D+Wll1/ltIPbKz3q+Cddfu9Ce UEBPuU4Ab9jvy3DTRt+lev0uFqWmeOmb27uqG0CfpzqYXNox0l 8/IaQB6bnvu1bJSD4vU4Xajp13nTuaAfDTSi2u5wCI= X-Original-Sender: cr@cosmicray.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.171 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) smtp.mail=cr@cosmicray.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 21 Jul 2010, at 22:38, CosmicRay wrote: > On 21 Jul 2010, at 22:34, Jonathan Jones wrote: >=20 >> What is the benefit of lojgugde, the destination of the lead character, = who is a visiting Terran, being secret from Terrans?=20 >=20 > Firstly, it'd make a great backstory if the story is contemporary, and wh= y we - ordinary Terrans - haven't heard of it in our everyday matters. Sec= ondly, maybe you'll just have to watch and find out ;-) Maybe that's not the most satisfying answer, I apologise. Lindar's vision as I understand it is to create a near-perfect society for = Lojgugde, approaching a utopia. Without wishing to tip my hand too early on the scripting ideas, dropping i= n a character who lives in a futuristic society already will not give the s= ame sense of awe and wonder as someone who shares only our current mundane = experience. Viewers will relate better to someone who's undergoing the same discovery a= s they are - I want our young viewers to feel privileged and excited to be = sharing the revelations Alpha enjoys, rather than be made to feel like they= 're watching something that has no common root with their everyday world. There are plenty of plot devices to do this, and they don't prevent Lojgugd= e from being in its idealised state right now, with better technology and s= o on. kozmikreis --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.