From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhCFh57iBBoEbqBuFw@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 21 16:32:37 2010 Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Obim8-0007Hf-Tq; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:37 -0700 Received: by pwi10 with SMTP id 10sf1219849pwi.16 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RxcN5uLIg/JB+G5WhxYKH8J63LjQgRxDzfRycSbVRBY=; b=Ljg/NWjZLFRdAEhmfQCkMO5scRp/b+5XCpuPdou+SXr0WJGdRkVR8OKXS+wYAr6zlW FaIGwJvVjuC8dZwzkzFz2Y6m+RxhiL9WbRBQB2q42/oQj7M5Ql8sxExTTnmnqDncKOh6 vE8XTJs/28ZxCgRp5oLL2ozdXNi0i2bi+uskI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=BW1jNhM+rTaJLR0gB+ZPV8Ps5bwfJqhDa+CVq8ZZknH+OS+gj6jJRIUD5JVRTBI2t+ Wrn8b8h6ReULqrQJbR0e24hJUAMrnsin0BBDily71hCeZnG/wj4vphwzTk1kYLOkqYEm 5gYv9PoNe1YrG8nXNZtxKTQPrZj/pHGiZ4F+o= Received: by 10.142.247.6 with SMTP id u6mr95958wfh.16.1279755141130; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.143.21.16 with SMTP id y16ls3415086wfi.0.p; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.211.5 with SMTP id j5mr219333wfg.21.1279755140491; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.211.5 with SMTP id j5mr219332wfg.21.1279755140247; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-px0-f170.google.com (mail-px0-f170.google.com [209.85.212.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id i10si8597006wfa.5.2010.07.21.16.32.19; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.170; Received: by mail-px0-f170.google.com with SMTP id 6so3184088pxi.1 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:19 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.147.7 with SMTP id u7mr1176994wfd.50.1279755138976; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:18 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.144.17 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 16:32:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <201007202235.57096.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201007210031.43593.phma@phma.optus.nu> <731b09ce-f090-44b8-b717-53d4030cfab9@p22g2000pre.googlegroups.com> <20692153-4340-43CB-BD05-E51D4A1373F6@cosmicray.co.uk> <0da22913-44b7-4f02-bf14-1e97d2dab3b7@z30g2000prg.googlegroups.com> Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 17:32:18 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - names From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0cd2281e754ced048bee36d5 --000e0cd2281e754ced048bee36d5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Naruto. I honestly thought that the main character of the show was a woman for months. He's not. (Just providing another example.) On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:13 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 21 July 2010 22:13, Luke Bergen wrote: > >> I would hope that the lad would be male... a female lad would be a >> confusing thing. > > > Many characters from the kids shows/animations I know have a-sexual or > ambivalent traits. Particularly the Japanese animes, which can often > strikingly differ from the 'gender-amplified' American cartoons. You can > tell it from for instance the fact that many male characters (children or > adults) in animes are voiced by female actresses in the original Japanese > versions, while they are voiced by 'tough' male actors in the American > versions. Dragon Ball Z is a good example: Goku (an adult male fighter) is > voiced by a female; Gohan (Goku's son) is also voiced by a female; Kuririn > (Goku's friend and male fighter) is also voiced by a female; Freeza (one of > the strongest villains) is voiced by a male but has no physical > characteristics of either male or female while relatively anthropomorphic. > In another very famous and influencial Japanese manga called JoJo's Bizarre > Adventure, many supposedly male characters have somewhat female looks (while > the author is a married male heterosexual): > http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo's_Bizarre_Adventure/470/01/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --000e0cd2281e754ced048bee36d5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Naruto. I honestly thought that the main character of the show was a woman = for months. He's not. (Just providing another example.)

On Wed, Jul 21, 2010 at 5:13 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
On 21 July 2010 22:13, Luke Bergen <lukeab= ergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I would hope that the lad would be male... a female lad would be a confusin= g thing.

Many characters from the kids shows/ani= mations I know have a-sexual or ambivalent traits. Particularly the Japanes= e animes, which can often strikingly differ from the 'gender-amplified&= #39; American cartoons. You can tell it from for instance the fact that man= y male characters (children or adults) in animes are voiced by female actre= sses in the original Japanese versions, while they are voiced by 'tough= ' male actors in the American versions. Dragon Ball Z is a good example= : Goku (an adult male fighter) is voiced by a female; Gohan (Goku's son= ) is also voiced by a female; Kuririn (Goku's friend and male fighter) = is also voiced by a female; Freeza (one of the strongest villains) is voice= d by a male but has no physical characteristics of either male or female wh= ile relatively anthropomorphic. In another very famous and influencial Japa= nese manga called JoJo's Bizarre Adventure, many supposedly male charac= ters have somewhat female looks (while the author is a married male heteros= exual):
http://www.onemanga.com/Jojo's_Bizarre_Adventure/470/01/<= /a>

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