From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxCyx57iBBoEnGiuDw@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 21 18:49:58 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Obkv5-0000Er-9c; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:58 -0700 Received: by yxj4 with SMTP id 4sf15053531yxj.16 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=Lb2i/h0vlZqiQofchFMuVX/h0x8Qp+ntucw193SllVw=; b=AXHuQanPXLsOPM5uWoeKk4dwNUat8ezYoJzpqE2Thaj+PnOyAcDx+R4Thbm9m+t4je uznO7T7csaCj+6rg7glMV8WEl1uX+sIs2IWrcSMOlIyJoMDGzXzJF+UX5hcE54mm1Oth ZlKzJ5fly5ZUzFRQLuNnMq5z9wBWp1KoWz5p4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; b=skP+upmv0xP2fkM9xmkX87NrVRe/tPrJdiPNed3fwZ6F9Sfyp3TKKvZUa+O4LTjEWL IGPSo6zO2okpMQxELwMmV8MRe1cYsSo/K7e+iaCGwfB3+ziwTPbLPf1H/9Vfz4FCZk7d zJF7JgYa5KDBdq3jVYxGYCGzqc/EvP/bgHNaM= Received: by 10.90.98.17 with SMTP id v17mr496244agb.29.1279763379012; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.125.29 with SMTP id w29ls4226383ibr.0.p; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.68 with SMTP id dl4mr157310ibb.18.1279763378376; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.191.68 with SMTP id dl4mr157309ibb.18.1279763378354; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id z11si5882567ibb.0.2010.07.21.18.49.38; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 18:49:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=f3wYcKxqQrgA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=nM0CzfQHAAAA:8 a=aSRvjw2BAAAA:8 a=8pif782wAAAA:8 a=LmkzLG4eykG4wk4z2M8A:9 a=gnfNI9wh2L8XL3RyBW0G-4_jrAQA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=eO00rR1lnox8H-VA:21 a=DxFzpHhxm197GG1r:21 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:50309] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 3C/4E-04655-2B3A74C4; Thu, 22 Jul 2010 01:49:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46A0F13122 for ; Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:31:27 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - names Date: Wed, 21 Jul 2010 21:31:25 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <084745f5-9dd7-4c81-8759-c829468b8a4b@c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <084745f5-9dd7-4c81-8759-c829468b8a4b@c36g2000prf.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201007212131.26103.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline On Wednesday 21 July 2010 13:56:28 Lindar wrote: > Can't we just pick jbo names for them and leave it at that? The script > looks good for now, so let's fill in any missing details, generate a > dialgue script, and figure out who we're getting to voice this. Beta can have just a jbo name, but Alpha is from some non-Lojban people on the Earth, and is learning Lojban. So Alpha has to have a name in some natlang. On Wednesday 21 July 2010 14:07:47 tijlan wrote: > Is Alpha male? Scientifically speaking, at least for humans, it's more like > that female emerged before male: > > http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/story?id=119799&page=1 > http://www.bbc.co.uk/bang/ask_yan/which_came_first_man_or_woman > > It's also worth noting that the Y chromosome is a variation of the > original, basic, a-sexual chromosome called "autosome", while the X > chromosome is a direct successor to the autosome ( > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Y_chromosome#Origin). XY makes male, XX makes > female. Then it's safe to say that, for all species with the XY > sex-determination system, female is closer to the original neutral form, of > which male is a derivative. > > So I suggest Alpha be female. This has nothing to do with a pachyderm's auditory organs. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.