From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDt2M_hBBoETIeHUA@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 06 19:55:06 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWKmf-0002XH-K0; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:55:06 -0700 Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23sf10801853gwj.16 for ; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:54:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; bh=DtlvROlZIJcwKciZQq0X+bHJy9Gh/TZokR3P4pITu3U=; b=utbdWrTrIyLj1/LbDaJU0mSrhLs0KTE2jbJ70v0FBSlZGAML7cDh8i1oKpOGrbNr+c mRnO3O7BBvuQbYwrbzMbZnD4lCZWK1rCl3Yy6uVi7lrOFzAqb568HIcMmGVDMC+qPkyP +vpoL4n+toYPFR53InKTQlPy3bp4QVb8Ln0w4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding :content-disposition; b=LoorKJKtqCX4oNaw9eDMdrbYVIYm4G9vM+21vEBEKngnMdmgCuteDigyk2z/NwpvbT aUuS+UZ0suz/F4U5PHwpTZiRsUv22E0DvMHDaKxcQUSsPsorx4+KwTWVnpcduHwOu5pd eKD/B6VuiwmO7R88ckHCZQwb7QCGuuij2ESVg= Received: by 10.90.113.1 with SMTP id l1mr549701agc.40.1278471277206; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:54:37 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.231.184.145 with SMTP id ck17ls668659ibb.2.p; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.34.70 with SMTP id k6mr584560ibd.13.1278471276363; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.34.70 with SMTP id k6mr584559ibd.13.1278471276329; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id db12si3771934ibb.1.2010.07.06.19.54.36; Tue, 06 Jul 2010 19:54:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=G5ooKK4a2a8A:10 a=ADBQPqJMlbwA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=GYQfKCk2Rv2Ib12gvMIA:9 a=w1TUM6aDURPuPS-3eFs0aw0jidQA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:56496] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id F7/36-05585-B6CE33C4; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 02:54:36 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id DEC7017FE for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:54:34 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] relative clause in a name Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2010 22:54:32 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201006271620.06248.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201007062254.33578.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On Sunday 27 June 2010 18:46:16 tijlan wrote: > I can think of two principles to consider. One is translational fidelity. > If the non-Lojbanic source text is left-branching (dependents precede a > head), it would benefit from "la poi ma'azva .karabax." than "la karabax. > poi ma'azva" in terms of accuracy. The other one is flow of information a= s > a literary device. You decide which structure is cognitively more effecti= ve > in communicating the idea in question. Which would you say for that particular name? In case you didn't recognize = it,=20 Russian "nagorny" means "on the mountain". Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.