From lojban+bncCIPo5fbjAhCzrdLhBBoEnMd7ig@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 07 08:01:38 2010 Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWW7l-0000aV-R6; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:01:37 -0700 Received: by gwj23 with SMTP id 23sf11788392gwj.16 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:01:13 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1XVtUDV5aD37+zAlKQ0/K4DUY+UkHZe53T2ZFuI1Gi4=; b=mD1yGd4fWQEbI3aPsWrTNT69A/ft5T0oxz9bIEhW4yQph0g21wQbo/4pkV/uL8dBRG /yrJy/ctbeBc7779HoPaoHUggeKlt33q6kBhizI1A4cqrA3ws2/ClBniGw38nQAD/+1W VUexEa0bfZxWCE9XADMnpdv/ok21sBnsSYXS4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=XqAtU2J9hxzPbosvARbAkH7KcN1HklwtsD0bx8BGdgHNFV+ga8cRfQcaCV1lGiVp8m geoOSI+f/HKc4jRBEbgpj9amArc68KISnof2yTyhLlM/gQTajSXSTAs9RXS9LlxaOrzS Dmil8dPoeZNvGyqzMx3DcLf6racduz8eh824o= Received: by 10.90.118.16 with SMTP id q16mr655847agc.12.1278514867346; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:01:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.160.26 with SMTP id m26ls943326ano.5.p; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.131.18 with SMTP id e18mr5224264and.21.1278514866619; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 08:01:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.106.205 with SMTP id y13mr457843fao.18.1278514771225; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.106.205 with SMTP id y13mr457842fao.18.1278514771187; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:59:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f52.google.com (mail-fx0-f52.google.com [209.85.161.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j23si1988122faa.7.2010.07.07.07.59.30; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:59:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.52; Received: by mail-fx0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 8so6419390fxm.39 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:59:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.167.142 with SMTP id g14mr660111hbe.1.1278514768508; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 07:59:28 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.239.163.73 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 07:59:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <201006271620.06248.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201007062254.33578.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 18:59:28 +0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] relative clause in a name From: Cyril Slobin To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: cyril.slobin@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of cyril.slobin@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=cyril.slobin@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, tijlan wrote: > I could be wrong but I think Russian permits the adjective after the noun, > i.e. Karabax nagornyj. So "la .karabax. poi ma'azva" may still be in > accordance with the Russian grammar if not the conventional word order of > the name in question. Russian does permit adjective after noun, and there are lot of real toponyms of this form (to name a few: Novgorod-Severskij, Gus-Khrustalnyj). But such names are usually written with hyphen (I cannot remember any non-hyphenated name of that form, although they probably exist), and they are definitely *diffirent* names. Order matters. -- http://slobin.pp.ru/ `When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, `it means just what I choose it to mean' -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.