From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRC3mNPhBBoEPTzVvw@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 07 11:49:56 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWZgt-0005jS-Fl; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:56 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf14119921gxk.16 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=qZvVTS/az/iuSxLFoYUICRx3+xKn4MFumayHUpP2pjw=; b=nIyfIMoMWaXFWBSHN5CaBDtsG1AtZ+MDcpYT1F9gp6NMcbCOzWa8retkqzZqPvUEtn lg5lnEK4DeCC+vAnDbiffHLpM+YZI7euUr/WpdBAdpoZ9C6padsN/sDrLqmu+jawHARa jaN7ShWOsrUA1Le1pge4DWyvabvUkULqQ6ZkA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=J6iZ9DS+9KZBts2CphcZVcm+CT1nAraIHwS8/fHXGZuGOUYMKy+Ni04V36G1XEsoYV SCYHdL8IdipPWVMnoZwW1hOM/bDiIpxRCybs0eH7dqaafX9V1sZpxNfvX5MbRXRoOapl obaw0Rfv3P7iuzMKnSHxW1D2HG7FCrzfgeQZU= Received: by 10.90.49.16 with SMTP id w16mr731226agw.24.1278528567247; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.159.17 with SMTP id l17ls25259ago.3.p; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.83.14 with SMTP id g14mr6007449agb.4.1278528566238; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.83.14 with SMTP id g14mr6007446agb.4.1278528566114; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f50.google.com (mail-gw0-f50.google.com [74.125.83.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l2si5082548ybn.7.2010.07.07.11.49.25; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.50 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.50; Received: by gwj17 with SMTP id 17so3595582gwj.9 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.230.202 with SMTP id jn10mr4203451qcb.166.1278528564439; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.95.13 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:49:22 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 15:49:22 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] beyond good and evil From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.50 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > The closest thing that I could come up with was {ze'o co'e lo vrude .e lo > palci}. =A0How should lojban handle vagueness of this kind? =A0Anybody ha= ve any > suggestions/critiques? bancu lo vrude jo'u lo palci If you must use "re'o" then: co'e ze'o lo vrude jo'u lo palci because "beyond good and evil" is where whatever co'e is happens. Your version says that something about good and evil happens beyond some unspecified point. I'd use jo'u rather than .e because, as I understand it, it means beyond the dichotomy of good and evil, not being beyond good, and also being beyond evil. mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.