From lojban+bncCKi12tLPFBDQtrviBBoEuF0XUg@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 27 06:13:20 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Odjxw-0000mA-Mb; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:13:20 -0700 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18sf232926wwi.16 for ; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:12:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:subject:references:from:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-provags-id :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=ChrRifyxehQAZBDBzw+UsF+7vbm+AZRxTrTUIb14W98=; b=w2jwQ7Y2cWYjShSnsO+3+WmwkN7VUKCGuoopdaLTkj77xz6ARRjMH8pR4rvpSj4a7X hFKo6cptidKYoBNUjF1+si4/E9735w3brDrE1GQ9IfynSPS+aEKSzTuEWroC4RH5poW7 CcE2wMufqhNcTFbf3RVx2uThpCgkx/UcmgmgA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:subject:references:from:x-mailer :in-reply-to:message-id:date:to:mime-version:x-provags-id :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=FIW6557KDDCCiUfY/4YM4T0BYFnoRiaIgCu9y8b+vfcf0gOm92khkPoOYg1T4DC8nn PgmSo9viSMGnBlNW6QpWjKzvIMnNCA+6puL5oGpMP+vsG+iQWZZFyH7a8vu9cn5UvvQB xqMa/O30+DX9BrZNAYTdXMgaPn1pvEf+UADGE= Received: by 10.216.145.165 with SMTP id p37mr931933wej.28.1280236368736; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:12:48 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.134 with SMTP id y6ls1145353weq.2.p; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.178.201 with SMTP id f51mr609184wem.8.1280236367204; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.178.201 with SMTP id f51mr609182wem.8.1280236367171; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.17.9]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v4si1760154weq.9.2010.07.27.06.12.46; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 06:12:47 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.227.17.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) client-ip=212.227.17.9; Received: from [10.39.161.137] ([82.132.248.64]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LdZfa-1PL5BO3X0s-00i1zg; Tue, 27 Jul 2010 15:12:29 +0200 Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show - map References: <201007241926.19566.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201007270815.17544.phma@phma.optus.nu> From: CosmicRay X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (8A306) In-Reply-To: <201007270815.17544.phma@phma.optus.nu> Message-Id: <3FA960D9-E43A-4341-8B21-23943D1082A4@cosmicray.co.uk> Date: Tue, 27 Jul 2010 14:12:37 +0100 To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (iPhone Mail 8A306) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:TfA/K0RPUeiVcAqzRpEm6KRlZUKF7P5U7rqpF3u57dq 9u8nlvsmoasmns+ntBPyIeoyOlzlw0YzfcplN+X0V4Z1hDv+w4 lEnvZYMPr24kaPYNP4hEGF+36Nh8N6yremtc0snzIK9FfTYWRI kTPbqsi1OtrJnmgqgCo2iWbO8CO5PBqiBWGLJgXUdkTwChU3NM Z1UE3CHDRI+wjjRDkYk+WiACn125K1A11Cksg2XQVw= X-Original-Sender: cr@cosmicray.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.17.9 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) smtp.mail=cr@cosmicray.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 27 Jul 2010, at 13:15, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Tuesday 27 July 2010 06:29:44 Lindar wrote: >>> I'm strongly in favour of hydrogen fuel cells - no unsightly wires, cle= an >>> conversion to pure water, and lighter/less bulky due to much denser >>> energy storage (at least compared to current battery technology here on >>> Earth). >>>=20 >>> kozmikreis >>=20 >> +1 >>=20 >> The only need I forsee is having commercial vehicles able to access >> places that require mass delivery of goods. Anywhere else doesn't >> really need to be accessable by commercial vehicle. >=20 > What about delivering trusses to a construction site in the suburbs, or= =20 > delivering furniture or appliances? How about we imbue Lojgugde with a freshwater canal system? Each dwelling = can be responsible for purifying it's own water and has a ready supply for = making it's own solar-powered hydrogen fuel for whatever... The canals cou= ld be utilised for moving heavy and bulky goods too. Should every building as well as every person be as self sufficient as poss= ible? High redundancy is better for handling otherwise catastrophic failur= e of centralised systems. kozmikreis --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. 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