From lojban+bncCJuP2OfEBBD-nNPhBBoEfM__TQ@googlegroups.com Wed Jul 07 12:00:06 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWZqf-0008F9-So; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 12:00:03 -0700 Received: by qwi2 with SMTP id 2sf4433180qwi.16 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:59:51 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=91S7Q/HIZ4fazYtr+q6B//24g2Wo5JC47N527ssam1g=; b=ie4gAMb8g3gkkGgsmbKi8+AC0rwOLasfI8U0gvYJ2wkYyHbr1o8PI+xDTNT9a7Ilwa i3CZzQnm+NyFZ8U75Fv3Tx+x1UczePLhD/gmNjEor7oej5G6rAHPo02fEZY7BNFLE1HB pQ8IhrFaKuVqZBD12zpeqE0gRjD9p7xj9bONI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=M07HfDK8bT/O/jM/bfUK2EU7nmyklMwoRrA+CPWN9Id2udH3nmeC0I8C8qzMn7hi6i IR7CL5FMFl4CsI0Ffeaqq4grJVPzIelkDCm4EVb8WScd12PSOb11jAqvDEUXWG/r3qbs 3Rt7h5/DXm1sLGJ9m2Cf8Nmns/Xw3qe+uT5vw= Received: by 10.229.236.14 with SMTP id ki14mr891675qcb.0.1278529150490; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:59:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.248.17 with SMTP id me17ls5864922qcb.2.p; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:58:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.65.86 with SMTP id h22mr561798qai.29.1278529132312; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.65.86 with SMTP id h22mr561797qai.29.1278529132274; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:58:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f42.google.com (mail-vw0-f42.google.com [209.85.212.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id j3si4098847qcs.1.2010.07.07.11.58.51; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of adamgarrigus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.42; Received: by mail-vw0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 20so1376vws.1 for ; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:58:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.128.68 with SMTP id j4mr3642454vcs.68.1278529130969; Wed, 07 Jul 2010 11:58:50 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.44.206 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Jul 2010 11:58:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2010 14:58:50 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] beyond good and evil From: "komfo,amonan" To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of adamgarrigus@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=adamgarrigus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045016bc8afbc5d048ad0c282 --005045016bc8afbc5d048ad0c282 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable 2010/7/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > The closest thing that I could come up with was {ze'o co'e lo vrude .e = lo > > palci}. How should lojban handle vagueness of this kind? Anybody have > any > > suggestions/critiques? > > bancu lo vrude jo'u lo palci > > If you must use "re'o" then: > > co'e ze'o lo vrude jo'u lo palci > > because "beyond good and evil" is where whatever co'e is happens. Your > version says that something about good and evil happens beyond some > unspecified point. > > I'd use jo'u rather than .e because, as I understand it, it means > beyond the dichotomy of good and evil, not being beyond good, and also > being beyond evil. The definitions imply that the x1 of vrude/palci is a person (or any being to whom a moral sense can be attributed). So maybe {bancu lo si'o vrude kei jo'u si'o palci}? mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --005045016bc8afbc5d048ad0c282 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
2010/7/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.com>=
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:16 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> The closest thing that I could come up with was {ze'o co'e lo = vrude .e lo
> palci}. =A0How should lojban handle vagueness of this kind? =A0Anybody= have any
> suggestions/critiques?

=A0 =A0 =A0bancu lo vrude jo'u lo palci

If you must use "re'o" then:

=A0 =A0 =A0co'e ze'o lo vrude jo'u lo palci

because "beyond good and evil" is where whatever co'e is happ= ens. Your
version says that something about good and evil happens beyond some
unspecified point.

I'd use jo'u rather than .e because, as I understand it, it means beyond the dichotomy of good and evil, not being beyond good, and also
being beyond evil.

The definitions imply that the x1 o= f vrude/palci is a person (or any being to whom a moral sense can be attrib= uted). So maybe {bancu lo si'o vrude kei jo'u si'o palci}?

mu'o mi'e komfo,amonan

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