From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBD4sdfhBBoEYV5taw@googlegroups.com Thu Jul 08 06:56:26 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OWraP-0002py-JJ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:25 -0700 Received: by vws18 with SMTP id 18sf141683vws.16 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=+jEIjAio+rwzsT/JWRUtfFbAMNFV1MGi/2dIFe19bKA=; b=O7lhcEVodWuR++5Z3fMdtPm9+Sb7UJoIWuSoarHF8vG7B/ZLiTgngFVgpidFwTyjJ7 87eKdMCFRZoknk7h4bgeMfVvoEOeeOgzztFe7O3d6tITCbnAlZuejZ0U5iCVn1N54GCJ 5cG3qf7+vSVav42jnquoU6qE+DDkFxYo/IQrQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=n84eRRE+/N1fjS6NKDej8uuCiM+Oj7zl1w8L6G8VIgLy9JYmmInXLj3uWxUsX90V8I Amgn2KIujNFMLwzkf8EK/Y0UyMJ2ECcnCwZhGYC8AFNPkSz+3vFU6vLD7/KjYXynrzPs PU7wwhakx68i3hIvctiMzEwl6FNGE9TlimeMM= Received: by 10.229.106.197 with SMTP id y5mr874534qco.36.1278597368918; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:08 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.248.17 with SMTP id me17ls6363449qcb.2.p; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.70.196 with SMTP id e4mr663516qcj.20.1278597366973; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.70.196 with SMTP id e4mr663514qcj.20.1278597366820; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f52.google.com (mail-vw0-f52.google.com [209.85.212.52]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h19si3677082qcp.3.2010.07.08.06.56.05; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.52; Received: by mail-vw0-f52.google.com with SMTP id 11so1057152vws.25 for ; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.124.40 with SMTP id s40mr4349986vcr.182.1278597365212; Thu, 08 Jul 2010 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.165.206 with HTTP; Thu, 8 Jul 2010 06:56:05 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 8 Jul 2010 09:56:05 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] beyond good and evil From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.52 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=005045014132c3a7ca048ae0a5cd --005045014132c3a7ca048ae0a5cd Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really? Where do you see that the x1 can be properties? jbovlaste says: Word: vrude [jbovlaste] Type: gismu Gloss Word: virtue Gloss Word: virtuous rafsi: vud vu'e Definition: x1 is virtuous/saintly/[fine/moral/nice/holy/morally good] by standard x2. Notes: Holy/saintly (=3D cesyvu'e ). Virtue the attribute is "ka vrude". Note the "Notes". From what you're saying about the book, it sounds like the title is talking about the ideas of virtue and evil, not people who behave virtuously/evily. On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, tijlan wrote: > On 8 July 2010 11:02, Oleksii Melnyk wrote: > >> >> >> 2010/7/7 Luke Bergen >> >> In the end I think I like {bancu lo kamvrude jo'u lo kampalci} best. >>> >> >> I think here can be only 1 NU: =ABbancu lo NU vrude jo'e palci=BB. >> > > Did you mean "jo'u"? I don't think it's about "jo'e", a union of sets. > > In the book Nietzsche denies that there is a universal morality that > distinguishes "good" and "evil", critiquing previous philosophers who wer= e > seeing these as two distinct categories of behaviour. The title addresses > these two items which Nietzsche sees as false and as forming a false > dichotomy (and what he is arguing for is to be found as "bancu"s x1). In > order for him to address the problem, he would need two "lo". > > "vrude" and "palci"s x1s can be qualities, so "kamvrude" and "kampalci" o= r > "lo nu ..." seem unnecessary. I like xorxes' "bancu lo vrude jo'u lo palc= i". > > mu'o mi'e tijlan > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=3Den. > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den. --005045014132c3a7ca048ae0a5cd Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Really? =A0Where do you see that the x1 can be properties? =A0jbovlaste say= s:

Word: vrude [jbovlaste]
        Type: gismu
  Gloss Word: virtue
  Gloss Word: virtuous
       rafsi: vud vu'e
  Definition: x1 is virtuous/saintly/[fine/moral/nice/holy/morally good] by
       standard x2.
       Notes: Holy/saintly (=3D cesyvu'e=
).  Virtue the attribute is "ka
       vrude".

Note the "Notes".  F=
rom what you're saying about the book, it sounds like the title is talk=
ing about the ideas of virtue and evil, not people who behave virtuously/ev=
ily.

On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 9:46 AM, = tijlan <jbotijl= an@gmail.com> wrote:
On 8 July 2010 11:02, Oleksii = Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com> wrote:


2010/7/7 Luke Bergen &= lt;lukeabergen@g= mail.com>

In the end I think I like {bancu lo kamvrude jo'u lo kampalci} best.

I think here can be only 1 NU: =ABbancu lo NU = vrude jo'e palci=BB.

Did you= mean "jo'u"? I don't think it's about "jo'e= ", a union of sets.

In the book Nietzsche denies that there is a universal morality that di= stinguishes "good" and "evil", critiquing previous phil= osophers who were seeing these as two distinct categories of behaviour. The= title addresses these two items which Nietzsche sees as false and as formi= ng a false dichotomy (and what he is arguing for is to be found as "ba= ncu"s x1). In order for him to address the problem, he would need two = "lo".

"vrude" and "palci"s x1s can be qualities, so "= ;kamvrude" and "kampalci" or "lo nu ..." seem unne= cessary. I like xorxes' "bancu lo vrude jo'u lo palci".
mu'o mi'e tijlan

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