From lojban+bncCKv97aq_GRDM_NzhBBoE1E4DaA@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 09 08:21:00 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OXFNn-0000Oe-6y; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:21:00 -0700 Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18sf540351fxm.16 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=CsxO2tysfo87NcdAb+Wfb4ttfwm+kPHguXdWqFgO+v0=; b=WOpyARmGhm8ql59G0Wyysh0DvcaEzObSC6RNoWbuyo4sNooXJCPyViHXUEKmPwiUeB +iqBNIJJS7aoL/6bVNu9nKc7pyPlrkyuqadG6980FL24yAgO+gPbGxlgtXKFqzJrdCgN 4DznN0U3c5DSv5LLCUtd1IbM+nN7CpQXBZ6Pw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=T0d+EPmqjVhvTXt+jdxx2+Ttyf05jyuTkzqM1tcB8KIXbHfs2FOc0wBU7fZ1aGfjyY 1x/O/CBVe2xFqiaMxbCxP99Zdf2Y0IeRl27o3xkxw8DnlmWqiIQEPljEqWpRbCBlIOEL aF8lFDuwEywhWsBOOT+vkgc+eePTHl2DZDn0U= Received: by 10.223.6.201 with SMTP id a9mr617425faa.30.1278688844181; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.223.33.196 with SMTP id i4ls185518fad.3.p; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.124.130 with SMTP id u2mr743022far.3.1278688843000; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.223.124.130 with SMTP id u2mr743021far.3.1278688842960; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:42 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-bw0-f44.google.com (mail-bw0-f44.google.com [209.85.214.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id k14si293973fav.10.2010.07.09.08.20.41; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.214.44; Received: by mail-bw0-f44.google.com with SMTP id 7so1356058bwz.31 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.0.78 with SMTP id 14mr7714898bka.100.1278688841622; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.72.16 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 08:20:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 18:20:41 +0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] beyond good and evil From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.214.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00151750e24a2ee73e048af5f2fa --00151750e24a2ee73e048af5f2fa Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/7/8 Luke Bergen > What's wrong with {bancu lo kamvrude jo'u lo kampalci}? > I just feel, that the book with "jo'u" is about the distinction between 2 separate entities, while with "jo'e" is about "existence" of (the set of) both. In the context of "...no universal morality, that distinguishes...", with "jo'u" we still can have the "...universal morality that joins/mixes...", while with "jo'e" we are denying both. So with "lo" -- are we speaking about 2 separate entities, or the whole abstraction of "(.*)ness"? Alas, I can't say for Nietzsche. I think, here can be 4 significantly different books with "jo'u lo", "jo'e lo", "jo'u" and "jo'e" between the " vrude" and "palci". -- mu'o mi'e lex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --00151750e24a2ee73e048af5f2fa Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

2010/7/8 Luke Bergen &= lt;lukeabergen@gmail.com>
What's wrong with {bancu lo kamv= rude jo'u lo kampalci}?

I just feel, that the book with "jo'u" is about the distincti= on between 2 separate entities, while with "jo'e" is about &q= uot;existence" of (the set of) both.
In the context of "...no = universal morality, that distinguishes...", with "jo'u"= =A0 we still can have the "...universal morality that joins/mixes...&q= uot;,
while with "jo'e" we are denying both.

So with "= lo" -- are we speaking about 2 separate entities, or the whole abstrac= tion of "(.*)ness"?

Alas, I can't say for Nietzsche. I think, here can be 4 significant= ly different books with "jo'u lo", "jo'e lo",= "jo'u" and "jo'e" between the "vrude" and "palci".

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