From lojban+bncCNf8pM-bDBDlkN_hBBoEbfi3SQ@googlegroups.com Fri Jul 09 18:10:13 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OXOa0-0005PC-2G; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:10:13 -0700 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf4276501gyg.16 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:10:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :sender:received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=W/+MSe/u2jWNKI7LaOD6bUZG5vZc/CWD4LGLIIQvY18=; b=UJ7qGDBk8djURRK+5g1M9/CJrI4l8neOC8ss8IkRWs3OKh1Fg/TqByLTTbKiGqsEYn CPZrY0mtsLJhSE247HeW3FIgPlax56XgPNwt0mTYDfwQgs6/CaCXKXgbpOVlrZJyVnw/ rOjv1+PAiVrx7DqPnrLgdbQ4FRmCwyvOCOoX8= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=bfAHvQER7ao1mjZUPnHyWxi3FQfcuyfndtTTsqqFMD/KPF4BjCfJvhRfSllkt+kasK hEDZpNf6exl/uOxrB2hSAIGlIqyLLoPPOynQI801uJUuBIypgnSlL4dsvKyd7fSHRKax ChgikkJAxjAcwDMp5hV55GDjnHKArrZIvf0J4= Received: by 10.90.97.19 with SMTP id u19mr1357179agb.25.1278724197297; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:09:57 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.179.17 with SMTP id b17ls453036ybf.2.p; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.229.11 with SMTP id b11mr1668334ybh.24.1278724196883; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 18:09:56 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.235.226 with SMTP id u76mr389347weq.6.1278698885367; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.235.226 with SMTP id u76mr389346weq.6.1278698885260; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:08:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f172.google.com (mail-wy0-f172.google.com [74.125.82.172]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n40si94765wej.14.2010.07.09.11.08.04; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.172; Received: by mail-wy0-f172.google.com with SMTP id 40so2177201wyb.17 for ; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:08:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.148.18 with SMTP id n18mr8732164wbv.41.1278698883921; Fri, 09 Jul 2010 11:08:03 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.86.211 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Jul 2010 11:08:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Fri, 9 Jul 2010 19:08:03 +0100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] beyond good and evil From: tijlan To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: paskios@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of paskios@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.172 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=paskios@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f87e2ec0398d048af84853 --001485f87e2ec0398d048af84853 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 9 July 2010 16:20, Oleksii Melnyk wrote: > > > 2010/7/8 Luke Bergen > > What's wrong with {bancu lo kamvrude jo'u lo kampalci}? >> > > I just feel, that the book with "jo'u" is about the distinction between 2 > separate entities, while with "jo'e" is about "existence" of (the set of) > both. > The key is the dichotomy. The title has to express the distinction between "good" and "evil" that Nietzsche meant to go beyond with his argument. > In the context of "...no universal morality, that distinguishes...", with > "jo'u" we still can have the "...universal morality that joins/mixes...", > while with "jo'e" we are denying both The things connected with "jo'u" is unmixed; they are "joined" but not mixed. A mixed pair is made with "joi". So with "lo" -- are we speaking about 2 separate entities, or the whole > abstraction of "(.*)ness"? > "bancu"s x2 must be the 2 separate abstract entities (good and evil) the distinction of which old-school philosophers had tried to make, and x1 must be something with no such distinction. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On 9 July 2010 16:20, Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:


2010/7/8 Luke Bergen &= lt;lukeabergen@g= mail.com>

What's wrong with {bancu lo kamv= rude jo'u lo kampalci}?

I just feel, that the book with "jo'u" is about the distincti= on between 2 separate entities, while with "jo'e" is about &q= uot;existence" of (the set of) both.

The key = is the dichotomy. The title has to express the distinction between "go= od" and "evil" that Nietzsche meant to go beyond with his ar= gument.

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In t= he context of "...no universal morality, that distinguishes...", = with "jo'u"=A0 we still can have the "...universal moral= ity that joins/mixes...", while with "jo'e" we are denyi= ng both

The things connected with "jo'u" is unmixed; they ar= e "joined" but not mixed. A mixed pair is made with "joi&quo= t;.
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So with "lo" -- are we speaking about 2 separate entities, or the= whole abstraction of "(.*)ness"?

"= bancu"s x2 must be the 2 separate abstract entities (good and evil) th= e distinction of which old-school philosophers had tried to make, and x1 mu= st be something with no such distinction.

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