From lojban+bncCKGxpfKcCBC0jeLhBBoEXthAzA@googlegroups.com Sat Jul 10 07:42:18 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OXbFo-0005K5-Po; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:42:17 -0700 Received: by fxm18 with SMTP id 18sf787255fxm.16 for ; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:42:01 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:subject:from :in-reply-to:date:message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-provags-id :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=q8+iWiIocwL4gWrL8YJXNSS7e3YwjcCA2ZZ4ZUWp5HE=; b=PFcg+sCRW6VQ6oALK4fyn9tMJexfWzVuRE/ixV+9LtHSvw29mdNvLRt5RvxBEdpAlo vfHzGOxNDb31qWYWotPlIZHUIXNpzmwKVmuUa80AIn42Xq2juOB2v9ZgiOC0qQZQgt1C nsAb/z59yAfa0JfwpN5YDwcZVRfJ2yI5XBhGw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:subject:from:in-reply-to:date :message-id:references:to:x-mailer:x-provags-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=fx64FEe3p+0xQ9xDYjkLEIqfqu3zoWbgHFmAHSNgTpKyXnE9b5CtkTDON3br7n8MDW nyXDAyiOvArJ/AZPLi1elfP3lJcGjquxJWJ4+89kNl6kq9KpO+V2QKUvexzAFy9w3NON xEcl54NE2JWJBeL8iD2Gax6UCs9vWG/Yg+KSo= Received: by 10.223.132.216 with SMTP id c24mr667855fat.27.1278772916363; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:41:56 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.59.80 with SMTP id k16ls504208bkh.1.p; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.80.167 with SMTP id t39mr425176bkk.23.1278772914393; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.80.167 with SMTP id t39mr425175bkk.23.1278772914341; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de (moutng.kundenserver.de [212.227.126.187]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n18si1233359bkw.2.2010.07.10.07.41.54; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 07:41:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.187 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) client-ip=212.227.126.187; Received: from [192.168.1.102] (82-71-48-121.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk [82.71.48.121]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap2) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MOU8z-1OUaZg25Cf-005rWX; Sat, 10 Jul 2010 16:41:53 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1081) Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show From: CosmicRay In-Reply-To: Date: Sat, 10 Jul 2010 15:41:52 +0100 Message-Id: References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <9d57e48d-49c3-49e0-8a4b-a860bf3a47cc@k14g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <4F9DFCBA-A9F2-445C-AA6C-D15B3CDE1BAD@cosmicray.co.uk> To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1081) X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:wYBIYAdGfb8pkc0zZBUEfOB58lNaqpuXJCeFfqluHm5 BkF8Qqt23Xlgk5HdjJsGqI+9ikknHck3aqzu4kIRHtlhfcWSSk Id+u74tJDm3b9WRihFcAcV+/uKKYH82r6yYbCqEu+VdOO0Zatf uked/TYH2kKqPUUiNABpBEcsitVsQVmJveIdgHvn9XRjVrmH5P 7zMF2g2o54m9mpuVTJf/CMnRcFMw2rhxTW80M/u8ro= X-Original-Sender: cr@cosmicray.co.uk X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 212.227.126.187 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of cr@cosmicray.co.uk) smtp.mail=cr@cosmicray.co.uk Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Actually I agree with those several people, Flash as a proprietary format i= s a really bad medium. Luckily that doesn't stop us using it as Flash the = tool and then exporting the results into one or more proper video formats -= the video output may grow by quite a degree but at least it could be playa= ble anywhere. Or, how about it's put together through motion capture and rendered in 3D w= ith Blender + a mix of royalty-free and community-grown 3D models - Matt A = must have some pretty good advice in this area? Sorry I had to cut my last message short regarding the storyline, here's my= take on adding some kid-friendly pizazz: ----- First episode: Boy flying through clouds with a giant cartoon moose next to him, his arms = outstretched, heading for a tropical island, "Wheeeee!" Moose shouts to boy, "we're almost there," whizzing in circles around the b= oy, "we're nearly at jbogu'e!" Scene cuts to close up of boy's face, eyes closed, big grin, shot zooms out= showing he's actually in a plane seat next to his stuffed moose toy. Boy opens his eyes and excitedly sits up to look out of the window, "I can'= t believe we're finally going, Chocolate!" (Continues with previous monologue, spoken aloud): "I've been pen-pals wit= h somebody in jbogu'e for a few years now, and we're finally going to meet.= I started a programme for studying abroad and naturally chose jbogu'e for= my schooling. It's a little island somewhere out in the Pacific that was c= olonised a long time ago by a lot of different people from different countr= ies." Overlay of a picture book with pages turning, showing some of the hi= story, original flags and dress, and exciting customs of the natives. "Hey, let's play a game!" says the boy, closing his eyes again. Scene swit= ches to boy and giant cartoon moose, with an array of objects around them. = "Let's practice naming things in Lojban!" Boy and Chocolate take turns pointing at objects, and for each there's a li= ttle cut scene showing the object in its normal use, and the name said by t= he boy or moose. For some, the boy can be a little unsure, and Chocolate h= elps. Immediately after each name is said, its written name is shown as a = subtitle and then it's said again, deliberately and clearly. Scene changes to the plane landing, and the protagonist collecting his thin= gs. "Just look at this place," says the boy in awe, his face against the g= lass at the airport arrivals terminal. Shot pans across jbogu'e and its bu= sy populace (details to be filled in). End of episode ----- The second episode, meeting the family at the airport and the journey to th= eir dwelling, can focus on pronunciation and sumti-selbri relations. The third can be the start of exploring jbogu'e, more vocabulary, and some = complete phrases. Kids really need to be excited about what might *happen* in the next episod= e (and even the next scene), so best to keep the tempo of scene changes rel= atively high whilst breaking down the learning into small digestible sectio= ns, such that it is almost transparent to the plot. As for the plot itself= , go crazy, kids identify with creative and imagination-stimulating materia= l, but don't make any cliff hangers *too* blatant or extreme. Just my 2p, kozmikreis On 9 Jul 2010, at 23:24, Lindar wrote: > Several people have expressed that Flash is a really bad medium (for > whatever reason). > Personally I don't see how it's feasible to do it in anything -but- > flash considering how small of a crew we'd have. > I mean, we could individually animate each frame for all two dozen > frames a second and then drop that into Avid/Final Cut, but forget > that. > I'm not sure what's going to be done with the animation, but for now > we're going to (once we actually get to this part) storyboard the > first episode in Photoshop, then do an audio-and-keyframe animation > using the storyboard illustrations as keyframes. Once we're happy with > that, we'll start actual animation. >=20 > Thank you for the suggestion, and I will keep in mind that it needs to > be punched up. >=20 > --=20 > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegr= oups.com. > For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojb= an?hl=3Den. >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.