From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRDK6OjhBBoEWUTJPQ@googlegroups.com Sun Jul 11 14:15:25 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OY3rh-00070S-TP; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:15:25 -0700 Received: by gyg4 with SMTP id 4sf7737674gyg.16 for ; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=Slkhltpbn0fY0QIOdFqMxIl8kDpLUfeNXLGDh+BOawU=; b=joutzb7bmQJMv1Q5T821YcC2dtHxruQYRsNSZAKjnLBilwPmW2ypXXa4O4uCtFHyZs HuJr72g6qSWZxouQcR0jbhQrvUMx0lnvt1pTt8iSyqBmCezfuXNP/nI9izeAh3BaoQzS 3ISxEXmo01SGHkDVO8p36RjSEZSDjTqVklE2g= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=uVLNzCDrt2d/PTm6UtrgPaA5v6pju7+FlIsLV4NolHUHELmJ7QAd7NecmYxIGEvz9x 5Kxhfv6pn5jG4MT9Ndan8bQqxexP7DQ1fCd61Te4tZvaoRhsJlkq+CWHreGy7b1yFJ/4 ZaquXbP1Lk+tUMXjXveZp9vwv1NiTW73uIoIw= Received: by 10.101.10.6 with SMTP id n6mr1307742ani.58.1278882890345; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:50 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.146.2 with SMTP id y2ls1001904ann.6.p; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.101.175.33 with SMTP id c33mr1297888anp.41.1278882889811; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Jul 2010 14:14:49 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 173.196.20.139 References: <3c4ace6b-a18e-4306-a2b1-8cef523e20f3@u36g2000prg.googlegroups.com> <9d57e48d-49c3-49e0-8a4b-a860bf3a47cc@k14g2000pro.googlegroups.com> <4F9DFCBA-A9F2-445C-AA6C-D15B3CDE1BAD@cosmicray.co.uk> <4C38BACA.8000604@perpetuum-immobile.de> <20100711015203.GA4550@myhost> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.6) Gecko/20100625 Firefox/3.6.6 ( .NET CLR 3.5.30729),gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <8331f27a-31f3-4c6a-8d77-5d0c08d6deea@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Lojban Kids Show From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Spam_score: 2.4 X-Spam_score_int: 24 X-Spam_bar: ++ X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "chain.digitalkingdom.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Actually, you bring up some points that have already been discussed with the lead animator (who is also the director, and I shall refer to him as such from now on). We are -not- going to borrow heavily from the source languages, because that sends out a very clear message that the unrepresented cultures are less important. We should include as many cultures as possible. While we can't feature absolutely -every- culture in -every- episode, I don't think it's unreasonable to include Thai, Korean, Japanese, different African cultures, South American cultures, etc. I also do not think it's 'safe' or sensible to feature any kind of ethnic district (I'd like to think that people don't huddle into ethnic conclaves), so please get that right out of your minds. [...] Content analysis details: (2.4 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 X_IP Message has X-IP header 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is freemail (lindarthebard[at]yahoo.com) 0.0 DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED No valid author signature, adsp_override is CUSTOM_MED -0.0 SPF_PASS SPF: sender matches SPF record 1.6 FORGED_YAHOO_RCVD 'From' yahoo.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.8 BAYES_50 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 40 to 60% [score: 0.5000] 0.1 DKIM_SIGNED Message has a DKIM or DK signature, not necessarily valid -0.1 DKIM_VALID Message has at least one valid DKIM or DK signature Actually, you bring up some points that have already been discussed with the lead animator (who is also the director, and I shall refer to him as such from now on). We are -not- going to borrow heavily from the source languages, because that sends out a very clear message that the unrepresented cultures are less important. We should include as many cultures as possible. While we can't feature absolutely -every- culture in -every- episode, I don't think it's unreasonable to include Thai, Korean, Japanese, different African cultures, South American cultures, etc. I also do not think it's 'safe' or sensible to feature any kind of ethnic district (I'd like to think that people don't huddle into ethnic conclaves), so please get that right out of your minds. I -do- think it would be appropriate to feature different things which are strongly identified with each culture. I also agree that we need to have Lojbanic holidays and customs unique to Lojban. Lojban independence day (whatever the day was in 1987). Xorlo day Spring Faire Summer Matsuri Fall Harvest Winter Matsuri Parents Day (Important to stress here that Lojban does not specify biological ties, even demonstrate that in the episode) Kids Day The director addressed something just now about the script. It's edging on being too campy, so what he suggested is that he crack open a study book and say, "Okay, I should study before we land.", and then it does the imagination scene wherein they name things. They should start with J vs. DJ and stress the difference, and the first few times he should mess it up. Next should be C and TC, and he would try to pronounce it like a K. Finally, he should come across some confusing words (like sodva vs. sovda, tsiju vs. sidju, mlatu) and words with difficult consonant clusters. Another fun thing would be to have a cabin message play in Lojban and then English. I think the signs around the terminal should all be in Lojban as well. He could try to read everything on his way out. We need to create a small-ish metropolitan area (San Luis Obispo is the best reference I can give, so if you've never been, look for it on a map, it's in California, USA) with a little bit of outlying suburbia and a central busy-area, and maybe one day in a later episode they can go visit a major city. So, how exactly are we going to go about creating this whole fictional town? I'll come up with a vocab list (probably take heavily from the common words list) and we'll use that for the first episode, so let's just sweeten the script for now as we have the lesson built in already. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.