From lojban+bncCIycn8S8DhCrs_HhBBoEjWQAAw@googlegroups.com Tue Jul 13 05:19:28 2010 Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OYeS3-0004V3-GI; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:19:28 -0700 Received: by vws16 with SMTP id 16sf479889vws.16 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=cZYehTWN0CfbWDbELnv3qZJ5oRAakjfc63VdrIxd3PY=; b=V46eRmnxx0rWsXkwOseptjjhQnqyI8kBqvLvvfuN8Vb5xUekM5sIWGgIo9N6mMIA5g 5zdcJ4TFbIKVG2HR4GoQfP1ROC8bKHlnkg30wi9YnEttcso7cwVmWJkEnKf6w65J0Rtq aRwT60S9uAnrOw0XlwcT98l0IB+CpdhAxs2jk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=1JGUU/kQuYHUI5TkRjsSnx0kQ+QyYwxjVnL8qCy4KpNkeGD2HTWDynYc+De3vegm8C qSdtEb9Kog6jcu63ffRufwtFeaiuvJWrYEcxgkUlhiZXUmqE8kYXeMmR5xlAiiRFRw5a sJd9HDGyLEF+oo+eUgNN7ESTVkCfw5fyhlECo= Received: by 10.220.127.93 with SMTP id f29mr497434vcs.47.1279023531576; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:51 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.70.31 with SMTP id b31ls463972vcj.0.p; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.17 with SMTP id b17mr722229vcz.19.1279023529895; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.170.17 with SMTP id b17mr722228vcz.19.1279023529863; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f173.google.com (mail-qy0-f173.google.com [209.85.216.173]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e37si179850vbe.3.2010.07.13.05.18.48; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.216.173; Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so2358517qyk.11 for ; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.26.93 with SMTP id d29mr2996171qac.24.1279023528489; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.214.20 with HTTP; Tue, 13 Jul 2010 05:18:48 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 13 Jul 2010 08:18:48 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] beyond good and evil From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.216.173 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 6:16 PM, tijlan wrote: > On 8 July 2010 20:58, Luke Bergen wrote: >> >> It seems to me like the abstract concept of virtue (lo ka vrude) is >> fundamentally different from a specific event of something being virtuous >> (lo nu vrude) which are both different things, I think, from a thing being a >> virtuous entity (lo vrude). > > I can see that {lo vrude} may be differentiated from {lo ka vrude} and {lo > nu vrude} for practical reasons. But how is {lo ka vrude} so significantly > different from {lo nu vrude}? Both are abstract in that they don't refer to > a concrete individual object. And {lo nu vrude} isn't necessarily a > *specific* event of something being virtuous, just like {lo nu klama} can > mean any kind of event of going. {lo nu vrude} can even be conceptual or > non-factual, just like {lo nu mi ricfu traji} can refer to an imaginary > event. > I would even go so far as to think that we were talking here about si'o -- the CONCEPT of good and evil, but I could be wrong, as I've never read the book. --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.