From lojban+bncCLTF8YDmFRDNxoXjBBoE-C-3yw@googlegroups.com Tue Aug 10 07:34:51 2010 Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OipuQ-0006IX-0T; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:34:50 -0700 Received: by gyb13 with SMTP id 13sf24426237gyb.16 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:34:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Db/mos+GzgrMV/CtrVza8Kh9G0x4gcssVXSRW2nBujM=; b=fPgJQ6MiHAsmylqWLSIOlK6nIz8cmhmMEKzmhPKn2VAgTJY5YBP5jHZZtiCaPobSIG +5eU0YLvU+nS+KFZOOoPiC3DkfmR4aoXqWIpzHJAQeHmkJ7b4I644SSjbpJjBKxg25NV F2vGphp5IzTfuFnQmavuKAbahIBZrqhUWEjLg= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=awVo2MhRXIkcvXTuHEPP2Cv1qKfN0bXsGLJceJnwo+ejEyvtFXiNYdMg6ouyw9mrZ7 9RNsk5/sr3hXSnc8Lr5Tv6ltE7I2kLO0s3zlvYRpKjgyBfVbYPkesxerIne0V53hA09e kOA3aoMad4inN3UhddMPh4L2bn+lZr6Msit4U= Received: by 10.90.49.15 with SMTP id w15mr3215870agw.16.1281450829651; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:33:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.91.21.28 with SMTP id y28ls391000agi.2.p; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:33:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.90.79.15 with SMTP id c15mr3142942agb.56.1281450826088; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by x18g2000pro.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 10 Aug 2010 07:33:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <3dfd6436-e48f-4164-b293-514e43f0d9fd@l32g2000prn.googlegroups.com> X-IP: 119.152.38.188 References: <2da8180a-51b0-4555-9ff7-1a1b7e6f5c77@a4g2000prm.googlegroups.com> <55527712-fd80-4cca-8743-6ef4203d82cc@b4g2000pra.googlegroups.com> <3dfd6436-e48f-4164-b293-514e43f0d9fd@l32g2000prn.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 6.1; en-US) AppleWebKit/533.4 (KHTML, like Gecko) Chrome/5.0.375.125 Safari/533.4,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: <0ef36518-ebab-49d1-b041-4d7ba417614e@x18g2000pro.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban] Re: Pakistani Culture From: Ali Sajid Imami To: lojban X-Original-Sender: ali.sajid.imami@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What would be the correct lojban of "Pakistani"? .uanai {pakstanis}? On Aug 7, 3:56=A0pm, Ali Sajid wrote: > As far as friendships are concerned, people are very friendly. > Friendships are very very > > important, important enough to get killed over, in extreme cases. > There is, however, a certain gender segregation in friendships. There > was, traditionally, > > no concept of friends of opposite gender. There exists a sort of > courtesy between genders > > though. > Male friends are very frank with each other, and mostly consider each > other brothers. Same > > goes for female friends. > There are unwritten rules that say that you have to help your friends > however you can. This > > is also mirrored in our fables. > > Our weddings are a grand affair. Usually planned by the whole family > nearly a year in > > advance even. Here in pakistan, the principal functions are 3. > Mehndi/Sehrabandi. > Barat and Nikah > And Valima. > > I'll explain each in turn. > Mehndi (urdu word for henna) is the female ceremony. This is usually > done in the bride's > > house. All the bride's friends and sisters and female cousins are > there. They apply henna > > to the bride's hands and arms, and sometimes, feet. Usually, the > grooms female family > > members bring the henna and apply it ceremonially. The principal sweet > in this ceremony is > > the "Laddo".http://laxmisree.sulekha.com/mstore/laxmisree/albums/default/= besan-la... > A picture of laddo. They're yummy btw. :D > > Sehrabandi is the male counterpart to Mehndi. And the same as above > applies, except that > > both males and females are there. The main event of this is the > "sehra", a form of > > headdress, that is wrapped around the groom's head. It is somewhat > signature of being a > > groom. :)http://www.apexlace.com/images/sehra4.gifhttp://www.culturesdiar= y.com/UserFiles/2007/8/21/p1848wmu[1].jpghttp://www.weddingeventsindia.com/= images/sehra1.jpg > > Barat is the next event. It is the function in which the groom and > groom's family and > > friends depart from there home, traditionally to the bride's home, for > the actual wedding. > > The bride's family prepares the reception. The groom and his company > is known as the > > "Barat". Traditionally, when the groom arrives, little girls throw > rose petals and the > > groom is given garlands. So is his family. > The main event, here in Pakistan, muslim culture, is the Nikah. A > muslim cleric, who is > > also required to be registered by the government, usually called by > the bride's father or > > guardian is present. He first goes to the bride and asks her, "Do you, > bride, daughter of > > someone, agree to be wedded to groom, son of groom's father, for the > "mehar" of this much". > The bride has to agree. She is asked this Three times, and if she says > no at any one time, > > the nikah is not done. > Similar question is asked of the groom. once both bride and groom > agree, they are > > considered wedded. Until this time, both bride and groom are in > separate places. The cleric > > then gives a short sermon, which has been the same in our wedding > ceremonies in islam. It > > has many different sayings, highlighting the rights and > responsibilities of both the > > partners. > > After that, sweets are distributed. And so are little packets > containing different stuff, > > like almonds, dates, toffees etc, are distributed from the groom's > side. This is called the > > "Bid". After this is the meal. Then there are different little > customs, ceremonies, most of > > them quite fun. The couple i'll mention here are the "Joota chupai" > and "Doodh pilai". > "Joota chupai", literally "Hiding the shoe" is sort of a game. The > bride's sisters, or > > female relatives, sneak upto the groom's shoes and then hide them. > Hold them hostage, till > > the groom pays up. :D It is, however, the duty of the groom's brothers > and friends to find > > out the place where the shoes are and rescue them. :) > "Doodh pilai" is literally "Drinking the milk". Traditionally, > drinking the milk on wedding > > day is considered good fortune. And the milk is brought by the bride's > sisters. Once the > > groom drinks it, he has to pay up again. :D > > The ceremony of giving away the daughter is called the "Rukhsati", > literally, "The leaving". The bride is given away under the shadow of > the Quran, and a dupatta, a sort of long cloth. > > The next day, is the Valima. A feast by the newlywed couple. No > distinctive events here. Just, people coming and congratulating the > couple. > > I'll be back with more stuff later. :) --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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