From lojban+bncCL-Ey5qiChCngKHjBBoEawBw2Q@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 15 12:30:12 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Okiu9-00045x-Rc; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:30:12 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf746836qyk.16 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:sender :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=vynex0kjH8tzGBkH3iL00la3iY3PmDaCcUjzQmC8Al0=; b=ZsLceheclyRlu9CtQU4eIrcqo/IO0oI8XGoKEnQx0NDm6Mosf6ugduR/PKW36ACHWM auozihP2LChu6fSdJV2zr8AvDjwkxB+qOF8qJkaTUdEQ4ED/de8B0PVQidW+dTwvgUGh hkP+QdLEFaXAaP8r1aeeXAlDNV4cBtIMafj6c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references :date:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=cZMJ6tExL2ldfJCMcU2GzHGqK6f8Deu7PHzf7vf1HWzsego1qWJGRlnXlLEb7pJLiT x7VOpgzREIsw1P4upZmvZ4SUX7F75Zd71J/2n7fUnw1mEaS2nwVlqObMbfoKgzfCCzkA kA1InUo/GvG3R2f61fPp+jo+jz4EqsGwGcwLg= Received: by 10.229.43.233 with SMTP id x41mr470386qce.12.1281900583996; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.155 with SMTP id p27ls1690043qcz.3.p; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.212.137 with SMTP id gs9mr436672qcb.15.1281900583038; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.212.137 with SMTP id gs9mr436671qcb.15.1281900583006; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l26si2427109qck.9.2010.08.15.12.29.41; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 4so2906216vws.7 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:41 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.61.202 with SMTP id u10mr2669974vch.15.1281900579636; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.15.195 with HTTP; Sun, 15 Aug 2010 12:29:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2010 15:29:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Trilling/rolling R From: Craig Daniel To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: craigbdaniel@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of craigbdaniel@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=craigbdaniel@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, Aug 15, 2010 at 3:18 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > After watching limdar's (I think it was his) latest pronounciation video = I > have realized once again that the american pronounciation of 'r' is not > generally preferred. > > I've gotten into the habit of trilling/rolling my 'r's (what exactly is t= he > difference between trilling and rolling?) as often as possible but one > instance that I JUST CAN'T GET IT is my own damn name.=A0 So, O jbocecmu,= how > do you pronounce {cribe} and if you trill/roll the 'r' did it take practi= ce > or did it come naturally? I pronounce it as a tap, but not a trill. Although sometimes an American-style r pops out instead after voiced lingual fricatives (c, s, z, j). Also, for some reason (probably Spanish's fault) my (vr) sometimes comes out with a bilabial v rather than the labiodental I normally use. - mi'e .kreig. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.