From lojban+bncCNTPpI2KGxDY66fjBBoEItjW6w@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 16 19:37:33 2010 Received: from mail-gx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.161.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OlC3N-0002Fx-T1; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:33 -0700 Received: by gxk5 with SMTP id 5sf10654013gxk.16 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:23 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-disposition:content-type; bh=4XQU+bJwXA/tZ7LH30sYeiiXZfxtPhLCrJ/kWjWkNrk=; b=s5BJtdsiI78k2TApA4nyTz7QRAVGvw/O3dmjRvm9BOEv+p5UBgqtyUea5JPIGk2rWQ RkokZ3XV7W4GpwQHi7AJJbU87vqYRSZodsPH8XE7Sz9roMTXBB7prZXuNUrmL6BPe5QJ XhBDV4TikO90Y51GRM5PviArW5JeZg9JJscOo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-disposition:content-type; b=Lx6oYcBuojxu7mrkW2dKYUWVAW/yNfeT44O06UUlDj7i59AqvSNEFLHTBiITn4+l9K LRlNSoPzD6bnxTTbeHu1dg+62Vn5sCWPZmAXtwHAhCCrC6v+q++ou9RjTyGTf75C/fdM PiQqlIm6sTES1lvZrAsFXPaH/qh0HlQOCUXV0= Received: by 10.91.215.15 with SMTP id s15mr303958agq.19.1282012632162; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:12 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.151.127.4 with SMTP id e4ls27254ybn.7.p; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.73.3 with SMTP id v3mr3962525yba.16.1282012631340; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.73.3 with SMTP id v3mr3962524yba.16.1282012631308; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.123]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v8si6222061yba.8.2010.08.16.19.37.11; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 19:37:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.123; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=Wfp/uc826BkNyrxYplFnxD16ICHg5v/hsLky9XmGNns= c=1 sm=0 a=XAikBBP2Eg8A:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=UmURr7pvEYRzpAYd2aoA:9 a=mucR5e_W3jurt6jBE-AA:7 a=b_GWP1v8OsNKBoafPlXqbHPWaFsA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:56154] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id B5/44-19690-6D5F96C4; Tue, 17 Aug 2010 02:37:10 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 356B510D55 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:37:10 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: [lojban-announcements] Essay on the future of Lojban, with a simple poll for the community. Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2010 22:37:06 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <20100405210225.GW6084@digitalkingdom.org> <56226.65652.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <56226.65652.qm@web81307.mail.mud.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201008162237.08137.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.123 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Disposition: inline Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Friday 09 April 2010 14:13:26 John E Clifford wrote: > Oops. In theory iirc Lojban can require processing depths that no human > language in fact has (though I am not sure that there is a theory that says > they can't have it) and some parts of Lojban do require keeping in mind the > details of the developing sentence structure which again exceed the need in > natural languages (again only in fact perhaps). The man the track the dog the detective the author wrote about walked followed belonged to was short. The man is an Andaman, the track is made of creosote, the dog is named Toby, and that's enough to figure out who the detective and the author are. I've also read that Dutch is provably not parsable by some class of grammar because it has constructions of the form abcd...ABCD, where the equivalent German construction is abcd...DCBA, and the capital letters are verbs. Pierre -- Jews use a lunisolar calendar; Muslims use a solely lunar calendar. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. 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