From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBCm5a_jBBoE5KNdkA@googlegroups.com Wed Aug 18 07:48:27 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OljwG-0005mH-8B; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:27 -0700 Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8sf380909qwj.16 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:17 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MNnKUV2Vr95PuGLzxpsq0PlqcAq1kf0PFZEGxGhf8u4=; b=CyGLH3PPl3oJM3r/7EICIgN4kcW1zjcJG4fNIaXRKnqIDPXIlsFgOqajAa84nGeb/7 48nF80/m0s2549lkiWsvXinHdJUcMlnrFFjqBZjr1auuTrtbU9JkH5oH+8WJka94MxMe 5CJbOcWj+nH/w4bxBmnJtuuMrpeFjQHdM3H0c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=rQwXGeIo6dcR9yk7svpPuXlBubFayDFat8iY/8Cn3FZyRjuwM7nReV6zY/f++oyppS BUDiIXvJmjKQnGFFZ4YQ299YqPzn16sDSkf+mV0Kexww/6GeOzFN4DMphqOA7QqKheEU I/gyOX9RRtiLIGFfzxOZF9ToPX9yd/d9v+I8s= Received: by 10.229.130.220 with SMTP id u28mr928214qcs.9.1282142886455; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:06 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.84 with SMTP id fx20ls333243qcb.0.p; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.247.203 with SMTP id md11mr801050qcb.4.1282142885738; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.247.203 with SMTP id md11mr801049qcb.4.1282142885689; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f44.google.com (mail-vw0-f44.google.com [209.85.212.44]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si196994qce.0.2010.08.18.07.48.04; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.44; Received: by vws10 with SMTP id 10so799011vws.17 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.168.10 with SMTP id s10mr5063354vcy.50.1282142884138; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.177.3 with HTTP; Wed, 18 Aug 2010 07:48:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 18 Aug 2010 16:48:04 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Trilling/rolling R From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.44 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 18 August 2010 16:26, Luke Bergen wrote: > .uacai. ok, I see what you're saying about the flap in 'attaboy'.=A0 That= was > one of the things that concerned me about (what I thought was) my lack of > skill at making the tap.=A0 I was worried that it sounded too much like > certain uses of 't' like in 'better' or 'd' like in bedding.=A0 But I gue= ss > this isn't really a concern since those ponounciations of 't' and 'b' wou= ld > definitely be wrong. > > Ok, 'r' like that tap type noise I think I can do. > > Thanks for your help everyone Just to be clear, there are also English accents in which "tt" in "attaboy" is pronounced as t (voiceless dental plosive) or d (voiced dental plosive) instead of as alveolar flap. The difference is a bit difficult to hear but easy to spot in articulation - 't' and 'd' are made with the tip of your tongue touching your upper teeth or the place where your upper teeth meet your palate, while alveolar flap is made without touching your teeth with your tongue at all and instead producing the sound by the tip of your tongue touching the part of your palate closer to the place where English r is produced. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.