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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.142.237.91 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0 > On Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:34 PM, Luke Bergen wrote= : > > So I saw this old school juke box and thought to myself "that's cool". > > > > What would be the closest lojban for this?=A0 I'm looking for a word th= at is > > generic and means "good" with a connotation of being stylistic, popular= , > > attractive (physically, conceptually, or otherwise), etc... > > > > In other words, if someone saw a really sexy sports car driving down th= e > > road in jbogu'e what might he say? >=20 > "Cool" is a cool word, huh?=A0 We can be sure there's no gismu even > vaguely similar to "cool" because it would have been considered the > worst malglico in the world. 8) >=20 > If you want exactly the connotations of "cool" what you want of course > is a fu'ivla.=A0 Why "of course"?=A0 I realize that lojbanistan is dominated by English spea= kers,=20 but it's not a language for English speakers.=A0 fui'vla should be based on= =20 either words that are recognizable in many or most languages,=20 or on international nomneclature systems like the linnaean.=A0 In how=20 many languages does 'cool' mean 'cool'? totus =A0You can even get all the various senses of "cool": za'e > {xamgrkulu} or za'e {zabnrkulu} could mean like "wow, look at that, > that's cool" while za'e {jikcrkulu} could mean more like "no worries, > we're cool man" and maybe za'e {cninrkulu} could mean being the latest > hippest thing, etc.=A0 Then you can say: >=20 > {.i ko na xanka .i mi'o jikcrkulu .i do zabnrkulu pe'i .i xu do djica > lo nu do mi kansa lo cninrkulu} =3D "No worries, man.=A0 We're cool.=A0 I > think you're cool.=A0 Want to go do what's cool?" >=20 > We should also be thinking about some lujvo on -xau (xamgu) and -za'a > (zabna) and -nei (nelci) and such for the subtleties of grooving upon > things, but I don't think we should try to reproduce any natlang > meanings there.=A0 Instead, we should explore new distinctly Lojbanic > flavors of goodness. 8) >=20 --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. 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