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PIEKARSKI" Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool To: lojban@googlegroups.com In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Sender: totus@rogers.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 68.142.206.145 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of totus@rogers.com) smtp.mail=totus@rogers.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@rogers.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable >=20 > On 22 August 2010 16:42, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > > In how many languages does 'cool' mean 'cool'? >=20 >=20 > Funnily enough, a lot of non-English speakers have incorporated the > word "cool" in their slang, even French: > http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cool#French >=20 > With English being today's de facto lingua franca that was actually to > be expected.=20 Not so!=A0 English may be the closest the world has to having a lingua=20 franca, but most of the world does not speak English. Your example of French speakers using 'cool' is not very convincing. Take the six languages that provide the basis for our gismu.=A0 How many=20 of their speakers use 'cool'?=A0 I have travelled in in Eastern Europe (inc= luding=20 Russia) and been in China.=A0 Few people there spoke English, and the=20 ones that didn't certainly didn't uses 'cool'. The danger of succumbing to the temptation of using English words=20 that are not widely used in the non-English speaking world is that Lojban= =20 will be=A0seen as yet another conlang devised by English speakers for=20 English speakers.=A0 The creators of Lojban went to some trouble to=20 ensure that=A0didn't happen (coming up with the gismu creation algorithm=20 was hardly a trivial understaking!),=A0 Their vision was a good one. I think we should stick to it. totus --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.