From lojban+bncCPGMg4mHHBDp_cXjBBoEb9Jikg@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 22 12:48:15 2010 Received: from mail-qw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.216.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OnGWZ-0000Mt-BL; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:48:15 -0700 Received: by qwj8 with SMTP id 8sf2353036qwj.16 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:48:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=eOZkj6uMvhmMmQLNUu6RjX/oqd6wLfUK2jgf+tYTU/c=; b=WOgHGbRZr/kE+WIB4LTPwgZYVpPATfk0/Y9In47fgrWRSVMkY/WvQG8vv1VQSnYVez BrantYEqLcDJq0MHO829/7nMQdm2+QAXsJjJTTwujp9U8Nkxge8UWni/AJ/kZ+v3EpD5 kqLaHDeO3LLd0rt2Q7o3Ls7zvfBq1RtxqyCPA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=f8k8SZYZOtHnFEJhrmHTa8iPaDJ8g1z1yViq3YL+VnEmzMq0W1GePMJHQ5tGJug/Lk Od6JWlNn2EEO4wuRqsNKiB6wZsIDaRC5t80X4oBCcCqupXUxGmb9VHJ3Z5E6yA4fQq64 lB6THnownCMxBwxNz3fmcfNDrN8SU7iv7LMH4= Received: by 10.229.141.76 with SMTP id l12mr329195qcu.19.1282506473497; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.173.155 with SMTP id p27ls1826725qcz.3.p; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.247.206 with SMTP id md14mr466780qcb.6.1282506472710; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.247.206 with SMTP id md14mr466779qcb.6.1282506472666; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com (mail-vw0-f53.google.com [209.85.212.53]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si3229213qce.0.2010.08.22.12.47.51; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.53; Received: by mail-vw0-f53.google.com with SMTP id 15so4695197vws.26 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.62.196 with SMTP id y4mr2624470vch.97.1282506471385; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.195.68 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 12:47:51 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <747877.81528.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> References: <925330.70400.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <747877.81528.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:47:51 +0200 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool From: Ivo Doko To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: ivo.doko@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of ivo.doko@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.53 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=ivo.doko@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On 22 August 2010 21:14, A. PIEKARSKI wrote: > Not so!=A0 English may be the closest the world has to having a lingua > franca, but most of the world does not speak English. > > Your example of French speakers using 'cool' is not very convincing. > Take the six languages that provide the basis for our gismu.=A0 How many > of their speakers use 'cool'?=A0 I have travelled in in Eastern Europe (i= ncluding > Russia) and been in China.=A0 Few people there spoke English, and the > ones that didn't certainly didn't uses 'cool'. > > The danger of succumbing to the temptation of using English words > that are not widely used in the non-English speaking world is that Lojban > will be=A0seen as yet another conlang devised by English speakers for > English speakers.=A0 The creators of Lojban went to some trouble to > ensure that=A0didn't happen (coming up with the gismu creation algorithm > was hardly a trivial understaking!),=A0 Their vision was a good one. > I think we should stick to it. Indeed, you do have a point and I think you misunderstood me, I wasn't trying to say the opposite of what you said because I completely agree with you. However, what if in the other five of the six languages there simply isn't a native analogue of the modern meaning of English word "cool"? That would hardly be surprising, the modern meaning of cool has only been part of the English language since recently, before it used to mean nothing but "cold" and "calm". What would we do if there simply isn't a Mandarin, Arabic, Spanish, Russian nor Hindi analogue word with such meaning? Would we give up adding that word to Lojban vocabulary? --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegrou= ps.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= ?hl=3Den.