From lojban+bncCJ2UzZHuDRChi8bjBBoE0A9cAA@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 22 13:16:56 2010 Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OnGyK-000273-7k; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:55 -0700 Received: by wyb42 with SMTP id 42sf1511162wyb.16 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=RYk8tojpvLAmzpgapmXWB9vgpyfz+s16b+fLfTDTdvg=; b=mV0/QwJYN9y0vnbEi1OKDU5EUDTeqESE9dS/hReAwjnzHiqR7+9ftPF/KMc70e254H E3Xd0Wpdnx2+3GoVnBBlLgOteMuUBamK53hCbrQaJQnEwLY7m2/91YlDgg/9NFzfHENd dNUhvpEfOzPZp2T8zEt4CGqi6czIAcX6uE3qw= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=F+Xc5KdV6m3zvvQ7BDcgjXwfNKShvlV9/WfARq7uZshHbTTq5LVqj9VLTrHa60k6dm 4ZllLOdMbPWSq3Q6agFaxIscYiqW1MHvezx9z3ngv3mqDjk4HAJ4k+mpj0xE5GxRGvGt YIjy9PkSitxK4BBvFFUoaXuQgjleh1v+Dbkms= Received: by 10.216.144.196 with SMTP id n46mr893340wej.6.1282508193869; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.216.237.165 with SMTP id y37ls1744766weq.1.p; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.27.135 with SMTP id e7mr92081wea.9.1282508192834; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.27.135 with SMTP id e7mr92080wea.9.1282508192819; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f177.google.com (mail-wy0-f177.google.com [74.125.82.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id o41si1906382weq.4.2010.08.22.13.16.31; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.177; Received: by wyb34 with SMTP id 34so1984744wyb.8 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.152.149 with SMTP id g21mr3510735wbw.228.1282508191673; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.145.147 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 13:16:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <925330.70400.qm@web88002.mail.re2.yahoo.com> <747877.81528.qm@web88001.mail.re2.yahoo.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 17:16:31 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 4:47 PM, Ivo Doko wrote: > > However, what if in the other five of the six languages > there simply isn't a native analogue of the modern meaning of English > word "cool"? I think that would be unlikely, since it's such a basic concept. > That would hardly be surprising, the modern meaning of > cool has only been part of the English language since recently, before > it used to mean nothing but "cold" and "calm". But that doesn't mean English speakers had no word for the concept before they started using "cool" for it. They would use "super" or "dandy" or whatever the proper slang was at the time for that concept. Using those oldfashioned words today would proably be uncool, but slang is one of the most ephemeral parts of language. > What would we do if there simply isn't a Mandarin, Arabic, Spanish, > Russian nor Hindi analogue word with such meaning? Would we give up > adding that word to Lojban vocabulary? We already have a word for general approval in Lojban (zabna) so we don't really need to add another one. What zabna and mabla may lack is that they are perhaps not slangy enough, but I doubt that monster type-3 fu'ivla will be what fluent Lojbanists come up with as their slang words. Almost by definition, slang words can't be officially created anyway, so we'll just have to wait and see what the fluent speakers come up with. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.