From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDy38fjBBoErZSuQA@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 22 20:50:31 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OnO3G-0002Qy-0V; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:30 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf2450255qyk.16 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:19 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=tl0/thtyJrr+jVAynboKB87nNC4WypKovh8X87EccBA=; b=4xdpRMq0PyEeM8ENzg2wFDU7RGACNVZDO+0h7Nu8NGNNbIDwKN2cji/Exw8tGVqKui anxsy4cai2zDqYXVYl5Gv/6whES1KKXilDfgoHyau2n3ewt3rl0ougtvhm5jz30nYAgN ZFHZBc0yNs7pVxtvbVMaIGzivX82/7ci/+qEk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=hT2QNIcftZoGZiG7QS9LqFMSv25IB6zOHA9xUx0vzik7RYr27HXfNzj1yv+WmwxKaP Y7HxrDVEyACkEliPmPGvDp8znKxmYL/RnQtlndjoC0XKOmjioIcIy61GEOhlDJUT2jjk 5kU8CQxU55zobwj7GjETMRO6qQ4EujHYwfrZw= Received: by 10.229.92.213 with SMTP id s21mr344838qcm.4.1282535410971; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:10 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.207.1 with SMTP id fw1ls1904438qcb.1.p; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.212.137 with SMTP id gs9mr510674qcb.15.1282535410000; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.212.137 with SMTP id gs9mr510673qcb.15.1282535409940; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:09 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id mz6si3205995qcb.5.2010.08.22.20.50.08; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:08 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws3 with SMTP id 3so4916400vws.19 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.171.211 with SMTP id i19mr2785165vcz.252.1282535404861; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.63.10 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 20:50:04 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 23:50:04 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e64cad1e37f9fb048e758b76 --0016e64cad1e37f9fb048e758b76 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I'm not even sure what that point was? It sounded like he was making an argument against fu'ivla when lujvo CAN be made. e.g. swift theives. I think in general it's a good idea to go with lujvo for things, but one rule of thumb that I try to go by is "does this word seem to get copied from language to language? If so, maybe it should be copied to lojban". e.g. "hypnotism" comes from the french "hypnotique" which comes from the latin "hypnoticus" so I would most likely expect to see this as a fu'ivla. It could also arguably be a lujvo, but since people have been copying it around for millenia from language to language. Why not continue that with something like {xipnrtismu} or the like instead of making either some ungodly lujvo to explain what it is in modern day or some completely off the wall thing based off of what it originally meant? e.g. (respectively) {menjitrvelmikce} or {cnosipna}. On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Warrigal > wrote: > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > Your response indicates to me that you missed my point entirely. > > You provided an argument against fu'ivla. I provided a greatly > unrelated argument in favor of fu'ivla. If you made a point that I > failed to respond to, that is simply because I had no response. > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "lojban" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en. --0016e64cad1e37f9fb048e758b76 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I'm not even sure what that point was? =A0It sounded like he was making= an argument against fu'ivla when lujvo CAN be made. =A0e.g. swift thei= ves.

I think in general it's a good idea to go with = lujvo for things, but one rule of thumb that I try to go by is "does t= his word seem to get copied from language to language? =A0If so, maybe it s= hould be copied to lojban". =A0e.g. "hypnotism" comes from t= he french "hypnotique" which comes from the latin "hypnoticu= s" so I would most likely expect to see this as a fu'ivla. =A0It c= ould also arguably be a lujvo, but since people have been copying it around= for millenia from language to language. =A0Why not continue that with some= thing like {xipnrtismu} or the like instead of making either some ungodly l= ujvo to explain what it is in modern day or some completely off the wall th= ing based off of what it originally meant? =A0e.g. (respectively) {menjitrv= elmikce} or {cnosipna}.

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:3= 5 PM, Warrigal <ihope127+w@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your response indicates to me that you missed my point entirely.

You provided an argument against fu'ivla. I provided a greatly unrelated argument in favor of fu'ivla. If you made a point that I
failed to respond to, that is simply because I had no response.

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