From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhD08MfjBBoEIPDsfg@googlegroups.com Sun Aug 22 21:26:50 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OnOcP-0002rH-V9; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:49 -0700 Received: by wwi18 with SMTP id 18sf117241wwi.16 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:37 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=VyWoIoBTJrLuwwNXz1Yt/uVlCL86iNXc/XZ9DKMIThg=; b=iEW8az4gx3yiVixUKhID70WmTY3Fg6NhIbGEv/QGZHuIQbxmOszXAeiZOdITCXfrM9 zAX75Jl+2oEWMCATs2nFxWq76rpyjU9uSYpaBNGamqoOD0YlO6ypg3CsNqsm6pFPq9Lx V3xsrJaYtRR+07HVmK0y5b6UhBslTDgpT7dd4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Cg0/cUHfEtPC0N4nPEU2e5e1L+QdQU5HYik1doPkpZsOVXYng0S4QRqE/+B+8a9p3S lHWUz6gDSn21/+O+/4jXCeRUuiZ2DfKIAA8KoBHIhXGcsjSjLEBRxF3KfmEQ6cx0+1Nc +lVyHlftp4pW7tQe4X8werYb3ZEVjexzcqvMQ= Received: by 10.216.144.196 with SMTP id n46mr925942wej.21.1282537588567; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.39.10 with SMTP id d10ls1360900wbe.2.p; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.132.197 with SMTP id c5mr190483wbt.13.1282537587613; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.132.197 with SMTP id c5mr190482wbt.13.1282537587307; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f169.google.com (mail-wy0-f169.google.com [74.125.82.169]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a37si2137866wba.3.2010.08.22.21.26.26; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:26 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.169; Received: by mail-wy0-f169.google.com with SMTP id 36so7043083wyg.28 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:26 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.38.207 with SMTP id a57mr2013950web.40.1282537584328; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:24 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.93.65 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:26:24 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 2010 22:26:24 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.169 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016367fa2d0200170048e760dc5 --0016367fa2d0200170048e760dc5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > I'm not even sure what that point was? It sounded like he was making an > argument against fu'ivla when lujvo CAN be made. e.g. swift theives. > > I think in general it's a good idea to go with lujvo for things, but one > rule of thumb that I try to go by is "does this word seem to get copied from > language to language? If so, maybe it should be copied to lojban". e.g. > "hypnotism" comes from the french "hypnotique" which comes from the latin > "hypnoticus" so I would most likely expect to see this as a fu'ivla. It > could also arguably be a lujvo, but since people have been copying it around > for millenia from language to language. Why not continue that with > something like {xipnrtismu} or the like instead of making either some > ungodly lujvo to explain what it is in modern day or some completely off the > wall thing based off of what it originally meant? e.g. (respectively) > {menjitrvelmikce} or {cnosipna}. > .o'anai.i'a mi dukse prami la sutra zerle'a cpidze .i na zerle'a le se casnu > > On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:35 PM, Warrigal > > wrote: > >> On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Jonathan Jones >> wrote: >> > Your response indicates to me that you missed my point entirely. >> >> You provided an argument against fu'ivla. I provided a greatly >> unrelated argument in favor of fu'ivla. 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On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 9:50 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
I'm not even sure what that point was? =A0It sounded like he was making= an argument against fu'ivla when lujvo CAN be made. =A0e.g. swift thei= ves.

I think in general it's a good idea to go with = lujvo for things, but one rule of thumb that I try to go by is "does t= his word seem to get copied from language to language? =A0If so, maybe it s= hould be copied to lojban". =A0e.g. "hypnotism" comes from t= he french "hypnotique" which comes from the latin "hypnoticu= s" so I would most likely expect to see this as a fu'ivla. =A0It c= ould also arguably be a lujvo, but since people have been copying it around= for millenia from language to language. =A0Why not continue that with some= thing like {xipnrtismu} or the like instead of making either some ungodly l= ujvo to explain what it is in modern day or some completely off the wall th= ing based off of what it originally meant? =A0e.g. (respectively) {menjitrv= elmikce} or {cnosipna}.

=A0.o'anai.i'a mi dukse prami la sutra zerle&= #39;a cpidze .i na zerle'a le se casnu

On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:3= 5 PM, Warrigal <ihope127+w@gmail.com> wrote:
On Sun, Aug 22, 2010 at 11:22 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Your response indicates to me that you missed my point entirely.

You provided an argument against fu'ivla. I provided a greatly unrelated argument in favor of fu'ivla. If you made a point that I
failed to respond to, that is simply because I had no response.

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