From lojban+bncCLi-v_X3FRD0hcvjBBoEhA3OFg@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 23 11:50:46 2010 Received: from mail-qy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.216.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1Onc6S-0006Y2-DH; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:50:46 -0700 Received: by qyk12 with SMTP id 12sf2668493qyk.16 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:50:34 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:user-agent:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-disposition; bh=+nODrsTUlzB7hY2GAZn5PDlh1Z0Mf1vQqaWPi7X6ekY=; b=gvZx3zl58ROiuVbPMnplkyrvGpsSG2AE6qdRgMEi+lRR0qpqTkZJkY7UP/1rOwZXN8 X0cf8cIhwMBoFN5SjE4lqBByUQA8mUWV6uB4gd3FcwGxFcOimiHyDOMknLuh8IwhLst+ u75+tTQ+3oJlgLl/DzquqRQB+WTK8TriLu9cE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:user-agent :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=0lGbY8nICf/Gv+eUNbwdt5Q3ZLFWusRo07C3HvCRzKgnPJcnm3yYZrroGcfU386nI0 M4PLXhLlDl/4mvqmzBD9DwIl2nN45pB3MFwlX5N1/vy0LC8/X7hURoF/qUKJeKADw/KH Pm7/09nkCL3zwg/FWxwlph7t37rTCiMual20E= Received: by 10.224.69.212 with SMTP id a20mr257487qaj.17.1282589428414; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:50:28 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.66.155 with SMTP id n27ls982350qai.5.p; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.19.132 with SMTP id a4mr220844qab.11.1282589427649; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 11:50:27 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.192.17 with SMTP id p17mr1124035wff.41.1282537042477; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.192.17 with SMTP id p17mr1124034wff.41.1282537042453; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id y16si8003621wff.3.2010.08.22.21.17.22; Sun, 22 Aug 2010 21:17:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o7N4HLxR026849 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:17:22 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.12.8/Submit) id o7N4HL6i015139 for lojban@googlegroups.com; Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:17:21 GMT Date: Mon, 23 Aug 2010 04:17:21 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban] Cool Message-ID: <20100823041719.GA10565@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban@googlegroups.com References: MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline de'i li 22 pi'e 08 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Luke Bergen .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra. > I think in general it's a good idea to go with lujvo for things, but one > rule of thumb that I try to go by is "does this word seem to get copied from > language to language? If so, maybe it should be copied to lojban". e.g. > "hypnotism" comes from the french "hypnotique" which comes from the latin > "hypnoticus" so I would most likely expect to see this as a fu'ivla. It > could also arguably be a lujvo, but since people have been copying it around > for millenia from language to language. .skamyxatra You do realize that if "This word is derived from an older word" is the deciding criterion for whether a {fu'ivla} should be made, then literally almost *every* word in *every* natural language *ever* will be made into a {fu'ivla}, right? Deriving words from older words is how languages grow, develop, and eventually split off from other languages. The relatively few words that are coined on the spot either die off or eventually serve as the basis for newer words. The more relevant question for {fu'ivla} formation should be "What percentage of the global population recognizes this word?", under which very few rank highly. mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. -- jicmu traji zifre fa loi remna lonu senpi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.