From lojban+bncCOjSjrXVGBDKzPDjBBoEXHSZ_A@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 30 14:44:58 2010 Received: from mail-fx0-f61.google.com ([209.85.161.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OqC9u-0001Sx-MR; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:58 -0700 Received: by fxm17 with SMTP id 17sf943552fxm.16 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :received:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=G0DwZMKXtwRQV+nkiiWZc2RvSQLtIq4xp4wM+7Omutc=; b=f3391UdwHKQJSZS5eNXQP4usUbsw/xKKiPnUHTLeVNb0QiSRuPXP0crSY3ymd+tKZY pFexGDf+SmRc7oIPZpS85zHZEo0TI1gTJCPaHWxvljqEYpi0KYOSgTGOzuY0DnJt7yqC JkDjj9lAZi/mWciwtmB1hsAiVqlmCw72Y9dHk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=Tofy1hSuZh56xW+VhGIWHQ/oUhEQO9xeC0X5Bwn0X9Nk4Z2MWv3NNPuZO9YhKlqk1m pk0FI8qREOmf932MdbIPNpv++sJ/jKzXQZnw2MV8zMKjszV2SqBZUgOkZ0XrH3lK8sD+ cgAF7Sdyg+a6nZ5qYhZHVkMse+me5Tvt09iwA= Received: by 10.223.7.21 with SMTP id b21mr141510fab.33.1283204682101; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:42 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.152.197 with SMTP id h5ls1782462bkw.3.p; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.80.167 with SMTP id t39mr152351bkk.23.1283204681120; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.80.167 with SMTP id t39mr152350bkk.23.1283204681088; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-fx0-f47.google.com (mail-fx0-f47.google.com [209.85.161.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id n18si4067870bkw.2.2010.08.30.14.44.39; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:40 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.161.47; Received: by fxm6 with SMTP id 6so4674108fxm.34 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:39 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.239.180.135 with SMTP id i7mr313915hbg.131.1283204679735; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.138.131 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.239.138.131 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 14:44:39 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 17:44:39 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] english ambiguity From: Luke Bergen To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.161.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001485f3c7001c1a43048f115f1d --001485f3c7001c1a43048f115f1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Oops, yes, kalci for the first one but vikmi for the second one. And no I don't think ko is needed for the second one. I see it as an observative like "eat, sleep, fuck. This is life" sort of thing (though obviously with a somewhat darker bent). I suppose stress could be used to figure out which is meant, but it's certainly not super-clear On Aug 30, 2010 5:22 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" wrote: On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:12 PM, Luke Bergen wrote: > It's always fun to see... "lo vikmi" or "lo kalci"? > citka je vikmi je mrobi'o "ko"? > I've always believed that the former is the one that's intended but you > can't really tell which... Isn't the stress pattern different for the two senses, though? It seems to me that "eat" is unstressed in the first phrase and stressed in the second phrase. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com = . 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Oops, yes, kalci for the first one but vikmi for the second one.=A0

And no I don't think ko is needed for the second one.=A0 I see it as= an observative like "eat, sleep, fuck.=A0 This is life" sort of = thing (though obviously with a somewhat darker bent).

I suppose stress could be used to figure out which is meant, but it'= s certainly not super-clear

On Aug 30, 2010 5:22 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDa= s" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 6:12= PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@g= mail.com> wrote:
> It's always fun to see...

"lo vikmi" or "= lo kalci"?


> citka je vikmi je mrobi'o

"ko"?


> I've always believed that the forme= r is the one that's intended but you
> can't really tell whic= h...

Isn't the stress pattern different for the two senses, t= hough? It
seems to me that "eat" is unstressed in the first phrase and stre= ssed
in the second phrase.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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