From lojban+bncCICntNPQBRCXh_LjBBoEv2C5UA@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 30 21:24:13 2010 Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com ([209.85.213.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OqIOH-0003gY-HE; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:24:13 -0700 Received: by yxs7 with SMTP id 7sf3378894yxs.16 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:24:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:mime-version :received:received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ADSGemZy0thKdSjnUAhCIWV6/fTNN9gjINDMP/5VoNM=; b=Z00726+4pTJXdM7ZDpUDoH043zf22vs6nqr1JQ2GSqsm+CAEEd9ooPwxROUiOOFXrq Cb675+XwUL8ErKVGQHAtPgNJ9ZMHGM7E5dcJawspUJ/c+Yq4G1r+DW07sDsyIwdjpmH+ FsPfnFvhHNQMvy4DPpkm+52CKIYu2oBoG9d3c= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references :user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=fjZS+ge1AelrAQL2vBBAUO7z0ApddxUHFRoQ/8X88w8iacBO6yVDW2HxTp0PV6LUMg qktZn8ysj5+9yWHVfo3JTT767CDR830ICM2BUaYZsYROVbLvCq0aMIhr8tpylDA1z7CE 1kbAdI0qQ/Y1wJL/JMstK50tFGEojrdi387jY= Received: by 10.90.3.14 with SMTP id 14mr91574agc.17.1283228567397; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:22:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.17.28 with SMTP id 28ls382753agq.6.p; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:22:46 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.91.103.11 with SMTP id f11mr1368396agm.59.1283228552718; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:22:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by i4g2000prf.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:22:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 21:22:31 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 166.134.205.209 References: <8CD1502F8EF1631-1880-ED16@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> <18102c9e-f548-49e4-8fb5-06d1117c46dc@h17g2000pri.googlegroups.com> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: w3m/0.5.2,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Religious document translation. From: Lindar To: lojban X-Original-Sender: lindarthebard@yahoo.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > .i mi zanfri lonu traji sampu se cusku lu lo tirxe cu broda .i go'i lonu > claxu zo cu > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu As grand as your argument is, I'm sure, I have no idea what you are saying because none of that is valid Lojban. You seem to be saying something to the effect of "I am enjoying being an extremely simple expression, expressed by "A *{tirxe} broda's. (Something) broda's an event of being free of "cu".". Now, unfortunately, this doesn't actually make any sense, and I'm a bit insulted. So, back to my original point, you should never have to use {cu}. If you find that you do not know how to construct a sentence without using {cu}, then you need to not use it and look up how to phrase something without it. This is a tried-and-true method of learning Lojban -properly- and understanding exactly how it works. If you - know- all of your terminators, then I have little/no problem with its use, but it still looks lazy/ignorant/archaic (from the barbaric yonder days of CLL being the only way to learn Lojban) to say {.i lo broda cu brode} instead of {.i lo broda ku brode}. So, to OP who has trouble with Lojban, please do try to avoid the use of {cu} as it's the lazy way out, which is not good written form for a religious document. -Lindar -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban?hl=en.