From lojban+bncCMHEmaCOBhDTs_LjBBoEnYvbgg@googlegroups.com Mon Aug 30 22:58:09 2010 Received: from mail-ww0-f61.google.com ([74.125.82.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.72) (envelope-from ) id 1OqJqy-0000zZ-7Q; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:58:09 -0700 Received: by wwf26 with SMTP id 26sf2016524wwf.16 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-sender:x-original-authentication-results:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=ls2mWMOqVKSF+0IIlXIo/00glE26FAyQzKgm6Aql8pA=; b=Ig/Hcc60Lp5Q8tNe5z1EAmf4GXVB5IvU9GOBgjki7zKaNCv1AVNdGmMlVRNEYzoh2d xnqpmqSXBdWr76yofl/AkvRJYcff6bCbJemxGnXFvBNECt7OFHLTmWwgJpAcaNLPLdz2 YrTXUVsrD/MndKrtaL8RZyBSrfivQgqwU8P9o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-sender :x-original-authentication-results:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list :list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=5qWH0de5U2C85pOK7BSqBDSKHh9boDY1F0OfxVtqtjCQkUPU/csVXLKnJpBdBxxZCg qaAtMs26uOmPxPajRU1/fkvMfRH4kpDtJReV7u9ARhMdI2lcIpSXOR6G7pG5IEX6Xv6n EfpzSs/InGQwf5NYbL4vT4EGOvqn9bU3M4I1w= Received: by 10.216.145.9 with SMTP id o9mr1063607wej.0.1283234259642; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.227.92.203 with SMTP id s11ls145814wbm.1.p; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.128.145 with SMTP id k17mr214367wbs.23.1283234258022; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.227.128.145 with SMTP id k17mr214366wbs.23.1283234257973; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-wy0-f181.google.com (mail-wy0-f181.google.com [74.125.82.181]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a37si3128606wba.7.2010.08.30.22.57.36; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.181; Received: by mail-wy0-f181.google.com with SMTP id 28so8218176wyf.12 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.227.153.3 with SMTP id i3mr5813924wbw.171.1283234256787; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.216.93.65 with HTTP; Mon, 30 Aug 2010 22:57:36 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <8CD1502F8EF1631-1880-ED16@webmail-m073.sysops.aol.com> <18102c9e-f548-49e4-8fb5-06d1117c46dc@h17g2000pri.googlegroups.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 2010 23:57:36 -0600 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban] Religious document translation. From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban@googlegroups.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.181 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban@googlegroups.com; contact lojban+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363ba7800a186b048f184225 --0016363ba7800a186b048f184225 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Lindar wrote: > > > .i mi zanfri lonu traji sampu se cusku lu lo tirxe cu broda .i go'i > lonu > > claxu zo cu > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > As grand as your argument is, I'm sure, I have no idea what you are > saying because none of that is valid Lojban. You seem to be saying > something to the effect of "I am enjoying being an extremely simple > expression, expressed by "A *{tirxe} broda's. (Something) broda's an > event of being free of "cu".". Now, unfortunately, this doesn't > actually make any sense, and I'm a bit insulted. > > .i la'edi'u pe mi gendra .i lonu lo bridi na gendra cu drata lonu lo bridi na te jimpe .i mi pu claxu zo li'u .i mi djisku lu .i mi zanfri lonu traji sampu cusku lu lo tirxu cu broda li'u poi ri claxu zo cu li'u > So, back to my original point, you should never have to use {cu}. If > you find that you do not know how to construct a sentence without > using {cu}, then you need to not use it and look up how to phrase > something without it. This is a tried-and-true method of learning > Lojban -properly- and understanding exactly how it works. If you - > know- all of your terminators, then I have little/no problem with its > use, but it still looks lazy/ignorant/archaic (from the barbaric > yonder days of CLL being the only way to learn Lojban) to say {.i lo > broda cu brode} instead of {.i lo broda ku brode}. > So, to OP who has trouble with Lojban, please do try to avoid the use > of {cu} as it's the lazy way out, which is not good written form for a > religious document. > > -Lindar > > .i mi na jimpe le krinu be lonu do krici ledu'u zo ku xauzma zo cu .i mi na jimpe lodu'u lo pilno be zo cu ku lazni .i lonu zo ku tolsarcu fanmo cu se krinu .i mi na tugni fi ledu'u zo ku xauzma zo cu kei lu lo broda ku cu brode -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "lojban" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 10:22 PM, Lindar= <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > .i mi zanfri lonu traji sampu se cusku lu lo tirxe cu broda = .i go'i lonu
> claxu zo cu
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu

As grand as your argument is, I'm sure, I have no idea what you a= re
saying because none of that is valid Lojban. You seem to be saying
something to the effect of "I am enjoying being an extremely simple expression, expressed by "A *{tirxe} broda's. (Something) broda= 9;s an
event of being free of "cu".". Now, unfortunately, this does= n't
actually make any sense, and I'm a bit insulted.

.i la'edi'u pe mi gendra .i lonu lo bridi na = gendra cu drata lonu lo bridi na te jimpe

.i mi pu claxu zo li'u= .i mi djisku lu .i mi zanfri lonu traji sampu cusku lu lo tirxu cu broda l= i'u poi ri claxu zo cu li'u
=A0
So, back to my original point, you should never have to use {cu}. If
you find that you do not know how to construct a sentence without
using {cu}, then you need to not use it and look up how to phrase
something without it. This is a tried-and-true method of learning
Lojban -properly- and understanding exactly how it works. If you -
know- all of your terminators, then I have little/no problem with its
use, but it still looks lazy/ignorant/archaic (from the barbaric
yonder days of CLL being the only way to learn Lojban) to say {.i lo
broda cu brode} instead of {.i lo broda ku brode}.
So, to OP who has trouble with Lojban, please do try to avoid the use
of {cu} as it's the lazy way out, which is not good written form for a<= br> religious document.

-Lindar

.i mi na jimpe le krinu be lonu do krici led= u'u zo ku xauzma zo cu

.i mi na jimpe lodu'u lo pilno be zo = cu ku lazni

.i lonu zo ku tolsarcu fanmo cu se krinu

.i mi na= tugni fi ledu'u zo ku xauzma zo cu kei lu lo broda ku cu brode

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko klama le= bende pe denpa bu

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